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Dropped Balls: The Patriots became nearly fumble-proof after a 2006 rule change backed by Tom Brady.


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Also, just from quickly eyeballing the numbers, I'm fairly certain the variation in fumbles can largely be explained by the fact that Brady isn't strip-sacked as often as most other QBs. Andrew Luck had as many fumbles this season as the entire Patriots team, for instance. I guess if you want to chalk that up to football grip then you can, but the competing hypotheses (Brady's pocket presence and the offensive line's play) are a lot more compelling.
 
Man, ignoring the individual player study for a moment, which seems more depenent on assuming that all players' usage are equal, the team fumble studies seems much much more indicative that a high-volume passing team with QBs who're quick on the trigger fumble less.

I mean, if you take out New England from the equation, then that would also still yield the high-volume passsing teams.
The statistics, in themselves, are not indicative of anything about New England.
 
You also have to love that when the teams excellent record of wins and playoff appearances is brought up, they used to say that the AFC east is so weak, yet don't account for this in their analysis.
 
This garbage thread is still up?
 
Another thing not brought up is that 2007 was also the first full season Pats had field turf at Gillette. No mud and normally less water build up on field turf.
 
The story is bunk, but unfortunately it has become the truth with the media and fans who buy the storyline without looking at it closely enough to see the data is faulty because it doesn't take into account all fumbles and not just fumbles lost.
 
How does someone make a thread on their 1st post ... thought there was a filter for that to prevent douchebags from creating trolling threads in the forum?
 
Another thing not brought up is that 2007 was also the first full season Pats had field turf at Gillette. No mud and normally less water build up on field turf.

The first full season. They actually ripped up the old cr*p in the middle of the 2006 season after Brady finally convinced TPTB that the tactical advantage conferred by the mess that was the old field was outweighed by the increased risk of injury.
 
I refuted this on another site, so I'll just bring it over from there:

The "with Patriots/on other team" article is disingenuous since they use totals rather than analyzing the distributuon. Welker and BJGE pretty much sway the entire thing because of the others who have a meaningful sample on both sides - Morris, Woodhead, Blount, Moss and Taylor - two are virtually identical, one slants mildly in NE's direction, one slants mildly in the opponent direction and only one actually tilts in NE's direction. The players who don't have fumbles with NE, and thus no fumble rate, could easily be small sample anomalies. Of the remaining players - Watson, Amendola, Jordan, LaFell, Tate and Maroney - two have far too little touches on one side to mean anything (one in each direction), one is basically even, two tilt substantially in the opponent direction and one leans toward NE.

It is a classic random distribution with two outliers.

Even more noteworthy, though, according to ESPN, Welker had zero fumbles for Miami or Denver, either as a receiver or a runner. It is possible that he fumbled the ball 13 times in those four seasons on special teams, but not very likely.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/5941/wes-welker

So, the distribution appears to be purely random, and one of the guys that the average rate depends on appears to be wrong. You don't have to be wearing a hoodie to find this analysis unconvincing.

Continuing to read....

The "lost fumble at home" article is unconvincing as well since NE just fumbled the ball 5 times in back-to-back home games, one of which we know for certain the ball was under-inflated and the other has been reported to be an early domino in the process. If your "evidence" that NE cheated is that they didn't fumble, then the fact that they fumbled higher than normal during the time everyone presumes they cheated is a big hole in that argument, no? You can't say it is silly to think one is an anomaly while relying on the other to be one.

Moving on...

The "bad weather" article might be the worst of all, since we know that NE practices with balls much worse than they are using on gameday, we know that several other teams move inside when the weather gets lousy and we know (as the writer even admits) that the Patriots make strategic alterations to their game plan to account for the weather. Since the Patriots are a game plan team, it also makes sense that they would be better equipped to actualize a weather-altered game plan than a team that doesn't change much from week to week.

Of course, we could also just look at the past week, when NE outscored Indy 28-0 in the second half of a rain storm with balls that we know for a fact to have been properly inflated.

Once again, my hoodie is still in the closet and I'm struggling to find why these arguments are compelling in any way.
 
The underinflation hypothesis also doesn't explain why Minnesota only had 11 fumbles this year (the Patriots had 13). You know what does? Teddy Bridgewater, who does a great job holding onto the football (quick, someone investigate the Vikings' footballs).

Using a simple linear regression, variance in quarterback fumbles explained 47% of the variance in team fumbles last year, and there's no reason to think that's an outlier. The rest of the variance is probably explained by some systematic explanations (weather, talent, etc.) and a heavy dose of randomness. But the systematic explanations almost certainly don't include deflated balls.
 
Here's a thought. Let's look at LaGarette Blount's stats since he was on three teams (TB, Pitt and NE).
In the regular season,
LaGarette Blount
Tampa Bay 734 touches/13 fumbles or...........1/56 touches
Pitt 71 touches/ 1 fumble ............................... 1/71 touches
NE 219 touches/3 fumbles ............................. 1/73 touches....
Not much different


Edit- I think he was knocked out on one of the fumbles and still reached for the ball. I recall him and Shane V. each fumbling while getting concussed...
 
It's pretty simple:

Good coaching
Good QB ball protection
Good recovery rate balls that actually were fumbles
Transition from power running to spread offense and easier running
Percentage for random chance


For example, one look at Peyton Manning's fumble numbers

3
6
5
7
6
6
5
5
2
6
1
2
3
2
11
6

total of 76 in 16 seasons

compared to Andrew Luck's fumble numbers

10
6
13

total of 29 in 3 seasons


shows just how much the QB fumble can impact the overall stat.
 
Explain the existence of BenJarvis Green-Ellis on planet Earth. In 4 years of high school, 4 years of college, and 4 years with the Patriots he fumbled 3 times (all in college, with 12 years as a "feature back").

Stats suggest that he cannot be human. There is a 99.62% chance that he is indeed a robot. Any team that signed a robot to a contract must be severely punished.
 
This is a stunning breakdown of the flawed fumble analysis:

http://drewfustin.com/2015/01/27/patriots-fumble-comments/

The statistical elements lost me a little later, that's not my bag man, but simply put, the original study was flawed in that it threw out all the games of the indoor teams, not just their indoor games and it also cherry picked a 5 year rolling average which put the Patriots in the 'worst' possible light.
 
shows just how much the QB fumble can impact the overall stat.

Explains about half the variance, muffed punts probably explain a decent chunk after that.

Also, the 2014 Vikings were the real outlier, the Patriots teams all fall within a standard distribution. Someone start investigating Teddy Bridgewater.
 
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