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Toucher and Rich: Sources said the League approved under-inflated balls BEFORE GAME


If this is the case, the NFL could have ended this witch hunt last Monday! What reason would they have to drag it out except for ratings at the expense of one of the premier teams.
 
Toucher is harping on "so they deliberately turned in under inflated balls?" Not the point. I'll bet the pats never measure the Psi before handing them in.
BB explicitly said they asked the refs to inflate them to the minimum. So it's on them.
 
"Prior to the game, the game officials inspect the footballs to be used by each team and confirm that this standard is satisfied, which was done before last Sunday’s game."

That's from the Friday NFL statement. If today's leak is true they flat out lied in their public statement. They clearly stated the refs checked the balls and they met the league standard before the game. The next time the NFL tells the truth on this nonissue it will be the first.
 
Now Albert Breer feels they are guilty if true because they intended to skirt the rules. But Aaron Rodgers openly admitted that he does exactly what these sources say about this case.

Rich tried to bring this up but Breer kept talking over him and Toucher immediately changed the subject to "real football talk" once Breer finished his answer. As many have mentioned, the haters will find fault with the patriots no matter how this turns out. The Pats have to find a way to win so definitively that even a Pitt-Seattle-esque ref screw job cerca 2006 won't matter bc that may be coming.
 
Rich tried to bring this up but Breer kept talking over him and Toucher immediately changed the subject to "real football talk" once Breer finished his answer. As many have mentioned, the haters will find fault with the patriots no matter how this turns out. The Pats have to find a way to win so definitively that even a Pitt-Seattle-esque ref screw job cerca 2006 won't matter bc that may be coming.

Yeah, I heard that too. When the Rodgers situation was brought up by the host, Breer raised his voice and went into that tell-tale "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" mode replete with hands over ears to boot. ;)
 
This is from the NFL's statement, released on 1/23 (emphasis added):

"Playing Rule 2, Section 1, which requires that the ball be inflated to between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch. Prior to the game, the game officials inspect the footballs to be used by each team and confirm that this standard is satisfied, which was done before last Sunday’s game.

"The playing rules are intended to protect the fairness and integrity of our games. We take seriously claims that those rules have been violated and will fully investigate this matter without compromise or delay. The investigation is ongoing, will be thorough and objective, and is being pursued expeditiously. In the coming days, we expect to conduct numerous additional interviews, examine video and other forensic evidence, as well as relevant physical evidence. While the evidence thus far supports the conclusion that footballs that were under-inflated were used by the Patriots in the first half, the footballs were properly inflated for the second half and confirmed at the conclusion of the game to have remained properly inflated. The goals of the investigation will be to determine the explanation for why footballs used in the game were not in compliance with the playing rules and specifically whether any noncompliance was the result of deliberate action. We have not made any judgments on these points and will not do so until we have concluded our investigation and considered all of the relevant evidence. "

This is why the lawyers who work for the NFL are paid $750 per hour, and sports "journalists" earn a fraction of that. The NFL wants to say that the balls were measured before the game, but they know that's not true, hence the word "inspected." Just about everyone in the media inferred that this meant "measured," but it clearly doesn't. If the NFL could have used this stronger term, they most certainly would have. The statement goes on to state that the evidence supports the following: (1) the balls were properly inflated for the second half; and (2) the balls were properly inflated at the end of the game. What is unstated is that the evidence does not support the conclusion that the footballs were properly inflated before the game. If the evidence could support that conclusion, that most certainly would have been stated. If fact, if the evidence gathered to date had supported that conclusion, the investigation would be over.
 
I thought this from the beginning and explains why the psi was consistent in 11 of the 12 balls. The problem as most posters know is how Goodell handled the complaint. Goodell should have taken care of business behind the scenes and addressed the problem (if there is one) in the offseason. He didn't have to worry about the balls at the super bowl because they are taken care of by the league (this is every year not just because of deflategate). Instead he decided to be a private eye and turn this mess into a media nightmare. I have said this before, he is the worst commissioner in the HISTORY of professional sports and this is just another example of his incompetence.
 
I've said all along that the ref's gave the balls a "charmin" squeeze and said OK. Now this report comes out that basically says the same thing. The balls have been the same in Foxboro for Tom Brady's career. Everyone in the NFL has known it. This is a witch hunt. Wells is a professional dirt digger, and that group isn't hired to exonerate the Pats. Even if they find nothing, the league has let the Pats twist in the wind too long to not come up with something.

Next time TB12 decides to tweak Harbaugh in a presser, maybe he'll remember that it was Harbaugh that called the Colts and said "yeah, we noticed it, too."
 
Albert Beer is a disingenuous ****. He's been butthurt ever since he made a feeble, unsuccessful attempt to nail BB at a press conference and Bill made him look like the jackass he is. Albert's peers at the presser laughed at him.
 
"Prior to the game, the game officials inspect the footballs to be used by each team and confirm that this standard is satisfied, which was done before last Sunday’s game."

That's from the Friday NFL statement. If today's leak is true they flat out lied in their public statement. They clearly stated the refs checked the balls and they met the league standard before the game. The next time the NFL tells the truth on this nonissue it will be the first.

Using the word "inspect" is a vague way to explain how the balls were checked. There is nothing in their statement that says they checked the psi levels.
 
"Playing Rule 2, Section 1, which requires that the ball be inflated to between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch. Prior to the game, the game officials inspect the footballs to be used by each team and confirm that this standard is satisfied, which was done before last Sunday’s game.

This is why the lawyers who work for the NFL are paid $750 per hour, and sports "journalists" earn a fraction of that. The NFL wants to say that the balls were measured before the game, but they know that's not true, hence the word "inspected." Just about everyone in the media inferred that this meant "measured," but it clearly doesn't. If the NFL could have used this stronger term, they most certainly would have. The statement goes on to state that the evidence supports the following: (1) the balls were properly inflated for the second half; and (2) the balls were properly inflated at the end of the game. What is unstated is that the evidence does not support the conclusion that the footballs were properly inflated before the game. If the evidence could support that conclusion, that most certainly would have been stated. If fact, if the evidence gathered to date had supported that conclusion, the investigation would be over.

Yes and a lot of posters here picked up on the choice of words you highlighted above. But the real story should be that the NFL lied if the current leak is true. Regardless of whether they inspected or measured or sniffed the balls, the NFL stated that the balls were in compliance when checked by the refs , that is they satisfied the standard when the refs checked them.
 
Toucher is still clinging to the "they checked it at half time and they weren't filled correctly" as reason the Pats were guilty. So even though they missed it prior to the game, the fact they caught it at half time it is still on the Pats? Huh?!?

And now he is arguing the sources that he said were ok shouldn't be trusted because they have an agenda. Rich ran these sources by Toucher before he gave the information on the air and Toucher said the sources are good and now he is questioning their motives?

Toucher's Jets' fan side wants the Pats to get punished.
Toucher and Rich want ratings. Toucher doesn't really know football, I don't even think he's that interested in the game. They are comedians who became sports talk show hosts because the station they worked at switched formats. They can't even claim to be journalists so who are their "sources"?
 
Then I am astounded this isn't be focused on more. Then again, it's not that surprising; so many mediots came out after that presser saying 'well that doesn't explain why the Colts balls were different'...when he had clearly stated that balls would vary depending on the different QB's preparation methods.

How did some of these guys get a legit degree =in journalism when their attention to detail is so shockingly poor?

Ever since the advent of "advocacy journalism" standards in the field have declined, sometimes stunningly so.

The way the press is acting today with this story, it's like they're genuinely upset with the Patriots, individually and collectively, because they're denying them their shot at a Pulitzer that's rightfully theirs!

The absolute gall of those Patriots!!!!
 
Well, look like Shark from Vegas was right again, he said sunday the investigation was about the refs.
 
I will say that if the League admits that they hand tested the balls prior to the game rather than testing with a gauge, this changes my thinking a bit about the punishment. I can still see the nominal fine ($25k range), but if they cannot say they confirmed that the balls were in the 12.5-13.5 PSI range.



Sorry if the officals approved the balls for game play unless the ball boy tampered with the balls NO FINE and AN APOLOGY to the pats since the weather would cause a drop in PSI, science explains what happened.

The balls were likely checked by handling the ball and not measured the NFL has a problem and will look to save face.
 
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Here's another thing that may or may not be relevant. The balls used in the kicking game are new and given to the refs before the game (and they maintain them). If they didn't check the balls, including the kicking balls, could that explain the ugly duckling FG attempt by Adam V????? That is a guy who missed one FG (just barely at that) in the regular season, is money in the post-season and certainly knows how to kick in the elements at Foxboro.... If that ball was underinflated....it is totally on the refs....
 
This is from the NFL's statement, released on 1/23 (emphasis added):

"Playing Rule 2, Section 1, which requires that the ball be inflated to between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch. Prior to the game, the game officials inspect the footballs to be used by each team and confirm that this standard is satisfied, which was done before last Sunday’s game.

"The playing rules are intended to protect the fairness and integrity of our games. We take seriously claims that those rules have been violated and will fully investigate this matter without compromise or delay. The investigation is ongoing, will be thorough and objective, and is being pursued expeditiously. In the coming days, we expect to conduct numerous additional interviews, examine video and other forensic evidence, as well as relevant physical evidence. While the evidence thus far supports the conclusion that footballs that were under-inflated were used by the Patriots in the first half, the footballs were properly inflated for the second half and confirmed at the conclusion of the game to have remained properly inflated. The goals of the investigation will be to determine the explanation for why footballs used in the game were not in compliance with the playing rules and specifically whether any noncompliance was the result of deliberate action. We have not made any judgments on these points and will not do so until we have concluded our investigation and considered all of the relevant evidence. "

This is why the lawyers who work for the NFL are paid $750 per hour, and sports "journalists" earn a fraction of that. The NFL wants to say that the balls were measured before the game, but they know that's not true, hence the word "inspected." Just about everyone in the media inferred that this meant "measured," but it clearly doesn't. If the NFL could have used this stronger term, they most certainly would have. The statement goes on to state that the evidence supports the following: (1) the balls were properly inflated for the second half; and (2) the balls were properly inflated at the end of the game. What is unstated is that the evidence does not support the conclusion that the footballs were properly inflated before the game. If the evidence could support that conclusion, that most certainly would have been stated. If fact, if the evidence gathered to date had supported that conclusion, the investigation would be over.


The balls had deflated due to the whether when reinflated they were already at a lower ambient temp and wet, not enough time to warm during halftime were the ball checked and inflated outside?

The Pats did nothing wrong end of story.
 
Here's another thing that may or may not be relevant. The balls used in the kicking game are new and given to the refs before the game (and they maintain them). If they didn't check the balls, including the kicking balls, could that explain the ugly duckling FG attempt by Adam V????? That is a guy who missed one FG (just barely at that) in the regular season, is money in the post-season and certainly knows how to kick in the elements at Foxboro.... If that ball was underinflated....it is totally on the refs....



GREAT observation. Wonder why the media didn't notice this, didn't fit the narrative.
 
"Prior to the game, the game officials inspect the footballs to be used by each team and confirm that this standard is satisfied, which was done before last Sunday’s game."

A very weak statement.
 


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