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We have an entire flock of 'experts' most antiPats but some on the Pats side coming forth and giving their 'opinion of Belichick's theory'. Lets look at this.
First, Belichick does not have a 'theory'. His first response was he had no explanation at all of how the footballs lost pressure.
This led to a media swarm of people giving their opinion of how it could have happened, without even knowing a single measurement. Think of how ludicrous that is. People are making definitive statements, as experts and they did not even know what the psi measured, much less the conditions the measurements were made it, which, as a grade school student knows, conditions affect pressure.
While this was all going on, Bill Belichick, who if we are to believe him, took the news that the footballs were under inflated as if someone told him the moon was made of cheese, did something basic and shockingly above the mental capacity of the media. He conducted an experiment duplicating the conditions, and measured the pressure at each step to PROVE whether or not the conditions of that day actually would affect the pressure inside the football.
Most shocking of all, is we still have media, and those with a grudge (Ray Lewis actually qualified his comments yesterday with he won 2 SBs and he isn't in awe of the Patriots, so that makes him objective before blithering like and idiot with a 3rd grade education) are dismissing this scientific evidence, in fact ignoring it, to comment on what the fact that the Patriots cheated means about them.

It is very simple. Bill Belichick did not offer an explanation, an excuse, a theory, or a speculation that is subject to believe, disbelief or opinion. He did a scientific test. The only way that can be refuted is with another scientific test that refutes it.
As far as I can tell no one has shown us one.

If this were a court case, it would have been dismissed.
 
I'm not positive, but I think in the world of scientific research, it goes like this: Scientist A has a theory, so he devises an experiment to see if it is sound. Once he has his results, he publishes them, and it is then up to OTHER scientists to recreate the experiment to either confirm or refute his claim.

Now, I'm not naive enough to think that the media is going to do this, but they should at least know that it is now up to the NFL to either produce incontrovertible evidence that shows the Patriots doing something wrong, OR prove that the experiments were flawed or the results are not valid.
 
I love the BSPN circus clowns were running with all this *science* when it allegedly reinforced their presuppositions. Now that that's been proven to NOT be the case, they get their panties in a wad and pull videos disproving their bogus allegations. "Science," huh? More like the emperor's naked as a jaybird.
 
I love the BSPN circus clowns were running with all this *science* when it allegedly reinforced their presuppositions. Now that that's been proven to NOT be the case, they get their panties in a wad and pull videos disproving their bogus allegations. "Science," huh? More like the emperor's naked as a jaybird.
Can't overstate the ability to rationalize a firmly held view.
 
We have an entire flock of 'experts' most antiPats but some on the Pats side coming forth and giving their 'opinion of Belichick's theory'. Lets look at this.
First, Belichick does not have a 'theory'. His first response was he had no explanation at all of how the footballs lost pressure.
This led to a media swarm of people giving their opinion of how it could have happened, without even knowing a single measurement. Think of how ludicrous that is. People are making definitive statements, as experts and they did not even know what the psi measured, much less the conditions the measurements were made it, which, as a grade school student knows, conditions affect pressure.
While this was all going on, Bill Belichick, who if we are to believe him, took the news that the footballs were under inflated as if someone told him the moon was made of cheese, did something basic and shockingly above the mental capacity of the media. He conducted an experiment duplicating the conditions, and measured the pressure at each step to PROVE whether or not the conditions of that day actually would affect the pressure inside the football.
Most shocking of all, is we still have media, and those with a grudge (Ray Lewis actually qualified his comments yesterday with he won 2 SBs and he isn't in awe of the Patriots, so that makes him objective before blithering like and idiot with a 3rd grade education) are dismissing this scientific evidence, in fact ignoring it, to comment on what the fact that the Patriots cheated means about them.

It is very simple. Bill Belichick did not offer an explanation, an excuse, a theory, or a speculation that is subject to believe, disbelief or opinion. He did a scientific test. The only way that can be refuted is with another scientific test that refutes it.
As far as I can tell no one has shown us one.

If this were a court case, it would have been dismissed.

As much as I would like the media to think this way, to offer something rationale, they don't.
Emotion is selling much more copies (or clicks) than cold hard facts. And that's a shame.

That being said, living in Canada and having to deal with winter (and winter tires), I was already familiar with the psi factor (losing pressure because of the air getting colder). According to Transport Canada, winter tires are losing 1 psi for every 5°C drop in temperature.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/motorvehiclesafety/tp-tp2823-menu-200.htm

So with that in mind, and knowing that the difference between the upper and lower limit allowed by the NFL is 1 psi, it means that for the footballs to stay within the NFL rules, the footballs have to be inflated in a room in which the temparature is within 5°C of the temperature of the field.

And I'm not even talking about games in which the difference in temparature at the start and the end is above that 5°C threshold.

In other words, we should be questionning teams that are able to maintain their football air pressure within that range at any time...
 
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As Wiggy so eloquently put it:

"Hate us cuz you ain't us! Suck it haters!"
 
As much as I would like the media to think this way, to offer something rationale, they don't.
Emotion is selling much more copies (or clicks) than cold hard facts. And that's a shame.

That being said, living in Canada and having to deal with winter (and winter tires), I was already familiar with the psi factor (losing pressure because of the air getting colder). According to Transport Canada, winter tires are losing 1 psi for every 5°C drop in temperature.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/motorvehiclesafety/tp-tp2823-menu-200.htm

So with that in mind, and knowing that the difference between the upper and lower limit allowed by the NFL is 1 psi, it means that for the footballs to stay within the NFL rules, the footballs have to be inflated in a room in which the temparature is within 5°C of the temperature of the field.

And I'm not even talking about games in which the difference in temparature at the start and the end is above that 5°C threshold.

In other words, we should be questionning teams that are able to maintain their football air pressure within that range at any time...

I'm sure that tires and footballs lose pressure at different rates because they are made of different material with different insulation.
But this is my point. Why is there any discussion whatsoever going on about IF the conditions last Sunday would cause a drop in the psi of a football? Bill Belichick did a scientific test to PROVE that it does. The only way there can be an IF is by someone offering a test with different results. Opinion of hypothetical does not outweigh a physical experiment.
 
As Wiggy so eloquently put it:

"Hate us cuz you ain't us! Suck it haters!"

"They hare us cuz they aint us" needs to catch on. Do your job. Patriot way. Full Tilt Full Time. They hate us cuz they ain't us.
 
I'm sure that tires and footballs lose pressure at different rates because they are made of different material with different insulation.
But this is my point. Why is there any discussion whatsoever going on about IF the conditions last Sunday would cause a drop in the psi of a football? Bill Belichick did a scientific test to PROVE that it does. The only way there can be an IF is by someone offering a test with different results. Opinion of hypothetical does not outweigh a physical experiment.

Absolutely.

I was a bit lazy in my previous post, as I could have calculated the difference in temperature required for a football to drop 1 psi, but there's a formula to calculate the air pressure :
PV=nRT

Here, with V (volume), n (amount of gas), R (gas constant) being constant, it means that if T (temperature) is to drop, then P (pressure) has to drop too.
This is high school stuff. Yet I have not seen this formula being used one by the media so far.

Obviously, it can be argued that a drop of 'n' (meaning if the footballs were tempered with), P would drop also. But that's not my point. My point is that there is a perfectly logical, scientific, explanation for the footballs losing pressure. If the footballs were approved by the refs inside (let's say at 72 F) and they were at the lower limit of 12.5 psi then, obviously the air pressure in the footballs will be lower 2 hours later having been outside at 50 F.

It's really not rocket science...
 
Absolutely.

I was a bit lazy in my previous post, as I could have calculated the difference in temperature required for a football to drop 1 psi, but there's a formula to calculate the air pressure :
PV=nRT

Here, with V (volume), n (amount of gas), R (gas constant) being constant, it means that if T (temperature) is to drop, then P (pressure) has to drop too.
This is high school stuff. Yet I have not seen this formula being used one by the media so far.

Obviously, it can be argued that a drop of 'n' (meaning if the footballs were tempered with), P would drop also. But that's not my point. My point is that there is a perfectly logical, scientific, explanation for the footballs losing pressure. If the footballs were approved by the refs inside (let's say at 72 F) and they were at the lower limit of 12.5 psi then, obviously the air pressure in the footballs will be lower 2 hours later having been outside at 50 F.

It's really not rocket science...

Sure, but you are missing my point.
There is no need to make calculations, or give opinions.
BB did actual physical tests under the same conditions of treatment, inflation and conditions.

In other words, theory is irrelevant when you have an actual true experiment.
The only thing that can refute it is another experiment (or many) with different results. Then it is debatable which is flawed.
You cannot argue a real life application with an equation or theory.

People who have an agenda are ignoring the recreation and saying they think it couldn't happen, with nothing to support it. (Including the Colts balls argument because there are no measurements done that day that have been released)
 
I'm sure that tires and footballs lose pressure at different rates because they are made of different material with different insulation.

That's irrelevant to what the "equilibrium" condition would be, though.
 
That's irrelevant to what the "equilibrium" condition would be, though.
Sure but stating that tires lose 1 pound of psi per 5 degrees C really is useless in comparing to a football.
 
Now Wilson who makes the footballs is saying BB's explanation is BS.
 
Now Wilson who makes the footballs is saying BB's explanation is BS.
He apparently thinks that this whole thing is about a leak in the ball. What a dumba$$.
 
Now Wilson who makes the footballs is saying BB's explanation is BS.

OK, so lets review again.

BB tested the laws of nature. He replicated the events and viewed how nature acted on the pressure in the football.

Some guy who makes footballs having an opinion doesn't belong in the same universe.
 
Sure, but you are missing my point.
There is no need to make calculations, or give opinions.
BB did actual physical tests under the same conditions of treatment, inflation and conditions.

In other words, theory is irrelevant when you have an actual true experiment.
The only thing that can refute it is another experiment (or many) with different results. Then it is debatable which is flawed.
You cannot argue a real life application with an equation or theory.

People who have an agenda are ignoring the recreation and saying they think it couldn't happen, with nothing to support it. (Including the Colts balls argument because there are no measurements done that day that have been released)

I would agree if Belichick was a true scientist; he would have published his results and then other scientists would the be able to try to replicate his experiment.

But now we have to take his word for it. To me, it makes perfect sense. But to the haters, why would they believe him now ? I mean, Wilson (the company that produces the balls) is all over the internet today saying that what Belichick said didn't make any sense. He said / she said...

Without actual proof, it doesn't mean much to the outside world. But for Pats fans, it means that Belichick was thorough in his research, and we shouldn't fear the NFL investigation finding that the Pats tempered with the balls.
 
I would agree if Belichick was a true scientist; he would have published his results and then other scientists would the be able to try to replicate his experiment.

But now we have to take his word for it. To me, it makes perfect sense. But to the haters, why would they believe him now ? I mean, Wilson (the company that produces the balls) is all over the internet today saying that what Belichick said didn't make any sense. He said / she said...

Without actual proof, it doesn't mean much to the outside world. But for Pats fans, it means that Belichick was thorough in his research, and we shouldn't fear the NFL investigation finding that the Pats tempered with the balls.
Belichick didn't SAY anything. To say what he said doesn't make sense is to say the laws of nature don't make sense, UNLESS YOU DISPROVE IT WITH AN EXPERIMENT.

What you are saying is if I do an experiment you can say its bs and be believed without showing the same experiment with different results.
The only way to refute BBs results is to do a test and prove he did something wrong. Simple opinion that its wrong is useless because he actually did a test.
Person A"I think the pressure will drop due to weather"
Person B"I think the pressure won't, so prove it"
Person A "Here are the results, it dropped"

Person B cannot come back with pressure is not affected by weather unless they do a test to disproved Bs test.
 
Science can't lie and it has been demonstrably proven the PSI drop MUST take place under these conditions.

NFL has fallen into its own trap, this was just being picked up by mainstream media and this is their counter punch. Don't fall for it. Guy went pee before taking the field.
 
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