Twitter report: NFL investigation is more about NFL Officials, not Pats (updated)

pwes · Jan 25, 2015

JMC00 said:
No. SharkofVegas said his source said that the NFL would exonerate the Pats this weekend but he has openly said that he disagreed with that and didn't think the NFL would announce anything this weekend.

That sounds less like being right and more like covering your own ass. If they do the source is right if they don't well ' you didn't believe it anyway'. Why report it if you think it's wrong? If they don't follow through that only makes your source look wrong and you incompetent.

Ivan · Jan 25, 2015

turkeyneck said:
ln BB's opening remark, when he said: "I just feel that on behalf of everyone in the organization, everyone that’s involved in this organization, that we need to say something.", I took that as implying he was done waiting for the Krafts to get off the dime and address the issue, that he was through seeing his, his coaches', and his players' reputations trashed without backup from the bigwigs. I think he went rogue rather than had the Krafts' blessings.

He said "on behalf of the Patriots organization" which suggests to me that he was speaking for the Patriots with the backing of the Kraft's. And given the grenades he tossed at the league I think the Krafts would have been quick to distance themselves from it had he done so on his own. Imo the Krafts are going to stand by him.

NMPatsFan · Jan 25, 2015

Fantastic article everyone should read...especially Herr Goodell

http://www.footballbyfootball.com/column/how-to-mayk-stoopid-nfl-rools

hwc · Jan 25, 2015

AirForcePatsFan said:
Sorry for the confusion. I'm looking for the NFL Game Operations Manual not the rulebook. I've seen a lot of people questioning Belichick about handing under inflated balls to the officials pre-game. I believe the manual states the actual process and specifically says the officials will inflate/deflate to get them to 12.5 - 13.5 PSI.

That's what I posted. It's not in the NFL rulebook. It's from the operations manual. That is the full extent of NFL language about the balls.

supafly · Jan 25, 2015

NMPatsFan said:
Well while everyone in the news has branded the Pats as cheaters and ran with the story that the NFL investigation would be done in 2-3 days, they have maintained that the Pats did nothing wrong and it was on the Refs. Also said the NFL has nothing, which is why they are delaying a statement. So far, they were the only people that claimed to have a "inside source" which maintained the innocence of the organization. Seem pretty credible to me.

As Patriot fans, we "hope" they are right--but we'll have to agree to disagree about them having already been proven correct. That simply isn't true.

They haven't been correct about anything yet. If anything, they've been wrong since they stated that we'd get an official announcement on Friday or Saturday.

Unfortunately, they are one of those "Incarcerated Bob" sources that no one gives any credibility to. Hopefully that is proven wrong.

supafly · Jan 25, 2015

JMC00 said:
No. SharkofVegas said his source said that the NFL would exonerate the Pats this weekend but he has openly said that he disagreed with that and didn't think the NFL would announce anything this weekend.

Yes, he said that the next day, after he felt confident enough to make a series of tweets that night where he then changed his tune about the timeline of the announcement. Of course this also happened to be after the NFL made their official announcement on Friday, so....

Either way, they certainly haven't been "proven right" which is what the OP is claiming.

As much as we hope it to be true, all they really are is a sports handicapping service that's hoping to get their name spread.

manxman2601 · Jan 25, 2015

supafly said:
That's not true.

This is the exact same "source" who openly stated that the Pats would be exonerated "over the weekend."

There have been threads here started linking Sharks of Vegas, who have already been proven wrong this week. Hopefully they're right this time.

I started that thread but I was very careful to suggest caution. The same caution should be taken here.

supafly · Jan 25, 2015

manxman2601 said:
I started that thread but I was very careful to suggest caution. The same caution should be taken here.

Absolutely. We all hope they are correct, but they are hardly anything of a stable source and weren't right about the exoneration announcement coming over the weekend, even after they tried to unring the bell the next day after the NFL announcement.

Jackson 2 · Jan 25, 2015

robertweathers said:
Hopefully this is true but like all tweets,blogs, etc I'm waiting for absolute proof with my own eyes.

Hell, before the BB presser I thought he was going to pull a Nixon and resign.

NMPatsFan · Jan 25, 2015

supafly said:
Yes, he said that the next day, after he felt confident enough to make a series of tweets that night where he then changed his tune about the timeline of the announcement. Of course this also happened to be after the NFL made their official announcement on Friday, so....

Either way, they certainly haven't been "proven right" which is what the OP is claiming.

As much as we hope it to be true, all they really are is a sports handicapping service that's hoping to get their name spread.

I never said they have or maintained that they "have been proven right" on this subject. I merely shared the tweet that started this discussion. So far to me, they have been more right, than wrong...which is my opinion. Up until today, the mediots with their sources piling on a bunch of supposed "facts" that they know. Today, we are learning that all the "facts" that their sources have given them haven't been so credible. These guys have at least from day one, maintained the Pat's innocence when many people (this board included) thought the sky was falling.

Yes they are a sports handicapping service, and to be successful their business relies on them being "right" more often than not or they wouldn't have much of a business.

billdog3484 · Jan 25, 2015

https://twitter.com/SharksOfVegas/status/559489409058603009

condon84 · Jan 25, 2015

As much as we want this, there is no way in hell the NFL is going to throw the refs under the bus. Every fan/team who's had bad calls affect outcome of games would be up in arms.

Patstopia · Jan 25, 2015

When this is done and over with, and the Pats are exonerated. Brady should sue ESPN along with Brunnell and Bettis for calling him a liar and sullying his reputation. It may not amount to anything, but it would keep their big mouths closed next time they think about spouting off!

DefenseRules · Jan 25, 2015

billdog3484 said:
https://twitter.com/SharksOfVegas/status/559489409058603009

A lot going on, on that twitter page. If this is true, this is very very sad.

The Gr8est · Jan 25, 2015

Ivan said:
I agree. I think that Wells is going to write a full report on this and I honestly don't see any way he can come up with a fact based narrative that concludes that the Patriots tampered with the footballs. Rather I think he will conclude that the process and protocols are flawed and will need to be changed to prevent this from happening in the future.

If Wells does a thorough investigation I'm sure he'll end up despising the Rats like we all do. Hopefully that is in the report.

FrodoBagginz · Jan 25, 2015

Why is this even on the Refs?

Does the NFL not know that the WEATHER affects PSI?

A loss of 1 PSI.

Colts balls inflated at 13.5 PSI
Pats balls at 12.5 PSI

Weather brings Pats balls to 11.5 PSI while Colts balls at 12.5 PSI

IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!

Refs did nothing wrong (other than POSSIBLY not correctly measuring with the right equipment). Patriots did nothing wrong.

It was the Weather!

supafly · Jan 25, 2015

NMPatsFan said:
I never said they have or maintained that they "have been proven right" on this subject. I merely shared the tweet that started this discussion. So far to me, they have been more right, than wrong...which is my opinion. Up until today, the mediots with their sources piling on a bunch of supposed "facts" that they know. Today, we are learning that all the "facts" that their sources have given them haven't been so credible. These guys have at least from day one, maintained the Pat's innocence when many people (this board included) thought the sky was falling.

Yes they are a sports handicapping service, and to be successful their business relies on them being "right" more often than not or they wouldn't have much of a business.

I'm just responding to your comment that "I found this on twitter, and these guys have been right in the past."

This is why I simply asked what else they've been right about--considering that they haven't really been right as far as deflategate goes. At least not yet. If what they are claiming ends up being true, then we can all laud them for having connections that all of the other major outlets do not have.

In the meantime, they got a lot of people excited around here on Wednesday or Thursday, when they released their "breaking news" that the Pats would be exonerated of all charges sometime over the weekend. In other words, they've been wrong so far--not right. They did attempt to unring the bell once the NFL did their official announcement by stating that they questioned their source's timeframe, but that was after Friday's NFL announcement.

In terms of them providing picks to their customers (not "news" but rather sports selections), of course they've been right at times. They have a 50/50 chance. I'm not meaning to come off as argumentative at all, so apologies if that's how it seems. I just wondered what else they've been right about in terms of attempting to break major news stories, that's all.

Dr Pain · Jan 25, 2015

FrodoBagginz said:
Why is this even on the Refs?

Does the NFL not know that the WEATHER affects PSI?

A loss of 1 PSI.

Colts balls inflated at 13.5 PSI
Pats balls at 12.5 PSI

Weather brings Pats balls to 11.5 PSI while Colts balls at 12.5 PSI

IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!

Refs did nothing wrong (other than POSSIBLY not correctly measuring with the right equipment). Patriots did nothing wrong.

It was the Weather!

No this is clear indication of tampering, clear as physics affects all balls equally. How did the one Patriots ball the Colts had drop 2 PSI? Colts must answer for this tampering. NFL must address. This is huge.

TheBostonStraggler · Jan 25, 2015

supafly said:
Absolutely. We all hope they are correct, but they are hardly anything of a stable source and weren't right about the exoneration announcement coming over the weekend, even after they tried to unring the bell the next day after the NFL announcement.

Sup, you are correct, however, I am looking at it from a more global view. The fact that these dolts, one here then one there, are now changing their tune is key for me. That's one step in the process of having it unravel.
And while this "scandal" started almost exactly a week ago, the unraveling is currently 6 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes too late.

supafly · Jan 25, 2015

condon84 said:
As much as we want this, there is no way in hell the NFL is going to throw the refs under the bus. Every fan/team who's had bad calls affect outcome of games would be up in arms.

This is my main concern as well, as much as we hope that it's not true.

I just have a very, very difficult time envisioning the NFL admitting to some kind of story that puts the officials in the place of blame. I can't see how there's any way they'd do that.

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