Twitter report: NFL investigation is more about NFL Officials, not Pats (updated)

The Gr8est said:

I agree that is still a possibility, particularly if he doesn't get support from Bob Kraft. We have assumed he had the blessings of Pats ownership to have his press conference, but I haven't seen any confirmation of that.

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...and no statement from Bob yet.

Wondering if he'll say something at the rally tomorrow.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Sharks of Vegas? WTF?

I'm waiting for definitive word from Incarcerated Bob & Erica Leigh

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I know what you're thinking, but he's been right about a lot of things so far and in the past.

Certainly more accurate and with less spin than the media.

robertweathers said:

If they win the SB, it's worth the exercise.

-More money than god.
-Team is in good shape personnel and cap-wise
-Brady is at top form and doesn't need to worry about dealing with him leaving
-Very attractive girlfriend
-All the kids are out of the house
-4 SBs. Legacy secure
-Still young and he can get to do things he hasn't had a chance to do yet.

I kinda don't blame the guy for moving on. He wont have to deal with this witch hunt crap.

Only way he stays is that he just loves this game and his job more than life itself.

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I don't think BB has missed out on much he wants to do, I thinking coaching football IS what he wants to do. He'd probably pay someone to let him coach if he had to.

I could see him leaving the NFL and going back to coaching someone like Navy.

If the Kraft's don't back Belichick I'm done with the Patriots.

Patriot Missile said:

I don't know about everyone else but I would find this funny as all hell if the source is legit?

I've always believed the Patriots practiced with these balls the week prior to the Indy Game. What was the weather? Like 19 degrees the week before? I believe they got deflated while practicing in the cold and they gave the refs the balls as is, expecting them to pump them up to 12.5. I think when asked by the NFL, the refs to protect their ass said "of course we tested the balls." It's a shame people just hate our team so much. Again, they fear what they don't understand. They just can't fathom how they have been good for so long because it's just not normal. So they go back to the old let's burn them at the stake. They must be in league with Lucifer after all.

Why that theory is so unbelievable to some is beyond me. Very few mediots have brought that up and it just blows me away how stupid this witch hunt is.

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Good point. That WAS what BB was saying yesterday - - I briefly did a double take at the time - - but he did say something to the effect of 'We gave them to the refs to pump back up to 12.5' as if they knowingly brought them in under and had an agreement with the refs for the refs to pump them up to their lowest sepcifications on the Psi range.

Can anyone elaborate on that?

MrNathanDrake said: ↑
NFL owes the Patriots a big PUBIC apology.

realtime said:

What would that entail exactly? I like the apology part, but not so sure about the rest of it.

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Duuuhhhh, where have you BEEN all week??????

The scandal is about BALLS!

shmessy said:

Good point. That WAS what BB was saying yesterday - - I briefly did a double take at the time - - but he did say something to the effect of 'We gave them to the refs to pump back up to 12.5' as if they knowingly brought them in under and had an agreement with the refs for the refs to pump them up to their lowest sepcifications on the Psi range.

Can anyone elaborate on that?

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I would think Belichick had a "tip-off" to the sting operation that they were trying to pull. If that WAS the case, I think they played it perfectly by giving the balls to the Refs to put at the required PSI. Check and Mate.

I said that to my wife after his press conference yesterday.... from now on I'd give them the balls flat, to take the organization out of speculation.

shmessy said:

Good point. That WAS what BB was saying yesterday - - I briefly did a double take at the time - - but he did say something to the effect of 'We gave them to the refs to pump back up to 12.5' as if they knowingly brought them in under and had an agreement with the refs for the refs to pump them up to their lowest sepcifications on the Psi range.

Can anyone elaborate on that?

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I heard it too but don't think its a big deal. Sometimes the balls are underinflated from the manufacturer. Maybe they reduce the air so the QBs can work them over. Who knows the actual reasons.

The important point is that the Pats told the refs to get them to 12.5 PSI and they did it. End of issue

shmessy said:

Good point. That WAS what BB was saying yesterday - - I briefly did a double take at the time - - but he did say something to the effect of 'We gave them to the refs to pump back up to 12.5' as if they knowingly brought them in under and had an agreement with the refs for the refs to pump them up to their lowest sepcifications on the Psi range.

Can anyone elaborate on that?

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I thought it was more that he was saying that it is the responsibility of the refs to check the balls and make sure they meet the specs than it is the team's. They assume that any ball that is approved is good to go.

robertweathers said:

If they win the SB, it's worth the exercise.

-More money than god.
-Team is in good shape personnel and cap-wise
-Brady is at top form and doesn't need to worry about dealing with him leaving
-Very attractive girlfriend
-All the kids are out of the house
-4 SBs. Legacy secure
-Still young and he can get to do things he hasn't had a chance to do yet.

I kinda don't blame the guy for moving on. He wont have to deal with this witch hunt crap.

Only way he stays is that he just loves this game and his job more than life itself.

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He REALLY loves this team.

The one time yesterday during that entire press conference when he began cracking and almost lost it (and I almost lost it at the same time) was when he was discussing this year's team. It got kinda foggy there for a moment.

He ain't leaving.

I don't buy the tweets from this Vegas shark thing as anything but somebody trying to move some proposition bets. Watch your wallets.

On where we stand right now, there was tremendous value in Belichick standing in front of the media and taking the bullets while demonstrating his trust and appreciation for his team and everyone in the Patriots organization. The wagons are circled.

Little nugget of new info from Florio.

But what was the NFL really found? As one league source has explained it to PFT, the football intercepted by Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson was roughly two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum. The other 10 balls that reportedly were two pounds under may have been, as the source explained it, closer to one pound below 12.5 PSI.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/25/nfl-bears-plenty-of-blame-for-deflategate/

The Gr8est said:

We have assumed he had the blessings of Pats ownership to have his press conference, but I haven't seen any confirmation of that.

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ln BB's opening remark, when he said: "I just feel that on behalf of everyone in the organization, everyone that’s involved in this organization, that we need to say something.", I took that as implying he was done waiting for the Krafts to get off the dime and address the issue, that he was through seeing his, his coaches', and his players' reputations trashed without backup from the bigwigs. I think he went rogue rather than had the Krafts' blessings.

Deus Irae said:

How so?

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I covered below

Deus Irae said:

Absolutely untrue. In this instance, their job is to find out what happened, fix any problems, and dole out any punishment that may be warranted.

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PR is part of their job, it does not cease to be part when it becomes inconvenient to them, or to your argument.

Deus Irae said:

Not that a lack of precedent would mean anything, but where's your proof that this was unprecedented?

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It would mean something, it would mean that there is no reference for the balls to be "under" the nonexistent point they should be at.

Deus Irae said:

Yes, that's "underinflated".

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No it is not, in order to be "under" anything there must be be a reference to be under. The Operations manual gives the pressure for them to be 2 hours before the game, not mid game. No reference point exists in NFL regulations. There's no more evidence they were under where they should have been then that they were over where they should have been because there's no reference to where they should have been.

Your right, I don't have any proof the NFL didn't go around checking balls mid game and have extensive data on where they should be mid game at 40f in Gilette stadium. You don't have any proof they do have that information. Let's go with the one that's far more likely, and not completely ridiculous.

Deus Irae said:

This doesn't even make any sense.

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I don't know how to make it more clear. If part of your job is PR, and you turn jaywalking into the Lindburgh baby scandal, you're not very good at your job.

Deus Irae said:

In this case, they ARE the police department.

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They most certainly are not the police. They protect their rules, to protect the integrity of the game, because the integrity of the game is crucial to their brand and sales. All sub tasks of protecting the brand are a means to an end of protecting the brand. If one of your sub tasks smears your brand then your ****ing it up. If you smeared your own brand because you didnt know about how footballs fluctuated in pressure for many reasons (as now appears to be the case) then you royally ****ed up.

Plenty of companies investigate themselves for various rules. If the investigators managed to smear their brand or people working for the company over nothing but piss poor investigation techniques they would likely find themselves both apologizing and out of a job.

Yeah, we don't know for 100% yet, but if this is all one big nothing, they most certainly should apologize for being so ham handed and incompetent in handling it.

I know people love twitter. But to me it's like people writing on the stalls in the bathroom ( except the phone #'s)

Bobsyouruncle said:

I covered below



PR is part of their job, it does not cease to be part when it becomes inconvenient to them, or to your argument.


It would mean something, it would mean that there is no reference for the balls to be "under" the nonexistent point they should be at.


No it is not, in order to be "under" anything there must be be a reference to be under. The Operations manual gives the pressure for them to be 2 hours before the game, not mid game. No reference point exists in NFL regulations. There's no more evidence they were under where they should have been then that they were over where they should have been because there's no reference to where they should have been.

Your right, I don't have any proof the NFL didn't go around checking balls mid game and have extensive data on where they should be mid game at 40f in Gilette stadium. You don't have any proof they do have that information. Let's go with the one that's far more likely, and not completely ridiculous.


I don't know how to make it more clear. If part of your job is PR, and you turn jaywalking into the Lindburgh baby scandal, you're not very good at your job.


They most certainly are not the police. They protect their rules, to protect the integrity of the game, because the integrity of the game is crucial to their brand and sales. All sub tasks of protecting the brand are a means to an end of protecting the brand. If one of your sub tasks smears your brand then your ****ing it up. If you smeared your own brand because you didnt know about how footballs fluctuated in pressure for many reasons (as now appears to be the case) then you royally ****ed up.

Plenty of companies investigate themselves for various rules. If the investigators managed to smear their brand or people working for the company over nothing but piss poor investigation techniques they would likely find themselves both apologizing and out of a job.

Yeah, we don't know for 100% yet, but if this is all one big nothing, they most certainly should apologize for being so ham handed and incompetent if it is.

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You got pretty much everything wrong, both times. I'll leave it at that.

shmessy said:

I think it's a VERY big deal actually. It means that the Pats consulted and depended on the refs to get the balls to 12.5. BB didn't throw Brady under the bus Thursday, but he sure threw the refs under the bus yesterday.

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As much as I loved BBs presser, my view is that everything the Pats did prior to those balls going to the refs is irrelevant to this investigation.

The purpose of the presser was to be transparent and explain the process players go through to prepare footballs and how atmospheric conditions can impact the PSI of the football. He gave the public a baseline of understanding, wanted to be proactive and defend this team and program publicly.

As you say, his OTHER main motivator was to shift the focus to the refs and the ops team to explain away from the Patriots.

JDot said:

Little nugget of new info from Florio.



http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/25/nfl-bears-plenty-of-blame-for-deflategate/

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PLEASE let there be video confirmation of the Colts deflating that ball.

PATSNUTme said:

I know people love twitter. But to me it's like people writing on the stalls in the bathroom ( except the phone #'s)

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Nothing wrong with bathroom stalls....that's where I got the phone number to my first girlfriend...lol..

turkeyneck said:

lI think he went rogue rather than had the Krafts' blessings.

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No way he gets on that podium w/o clearing what he will say with Bob and Jonathan. No way.

With that said, I do think Bob reminded BB that he is holding him accountable for everything he says and does. BB was good with that.