Eureka! The Only Side Changing Their Routine Was Indianapolis!!!!!

shmessy · Jan 25, 2015

This makes sense.

After hearing from Belichick yesterday (and why the EFF didn't he hold a presser like THAT in 2007????), it is clear that the Patriots treat their footballs with plenty of rubbing substances,as is legal. These substances are one of the factors credited with changing the PSi in the footballs, especially when mixed with the rain/cold/wind conditions.

Why didn't the Colts footballs have the same change in PSi measurement? is a common question asked.

The answer: They WOULD have, had the Colts followed their normal/standard pregame football preparation procedures. Because the revelations coming out increasingly point to this as a coordinated "gotcha" sting operation, perhaps it was the COLTS as the side that did things differently with their routine.

Note: Brady's stat line from that game is no better or worse than his normal stat line.

The outlier is LUCK'S stat line!!!!!!

12-33 for 126 0 TD 2 INT. Has he EVER had that bad a game? Were his receivers/TE's not all healthy and playing?

I know, I know the weather was bad, but when has he ever had as bad a stat line? The Colts had zero chance in that game going in and they knew it.

Has an investigator asked the Colts whether they did ANYTHING to treat their footballs? It would be an interesting twist if their footballs were purposely untreated so that there would be no deflation in those conditions.

OK, throw your bricks now, my tinfoil hat will protect me!

jlu52 · Jan 25, 2015

shmessy said:
This makes sense.

After hearing from Belichick yesterday (and why the EFF didn't he hold a presser like THAT in 2007????), it is clear that the Patriots treat their footballs with plenty of rubbing substances,as is legal. These substances are one of the factors credited with changing the PSi in the footballs, especially when mixed with the rain/cold/wind conditions.

Why didn't the Colts footballs have the same change in PSi measurement? is a common question asked.

The answer: They WOULD have, had the Colts followed their normal/standard pregame football preparation procedures. Because the revelations coming out increasingly point to this as a coordinated "gotcha" sting operation, perhaps it was the COLTS as the side that did things differently with their routine.

Note: Brady's stat line from that game is no better or worse than his normal stat line.

The outlier is LUCK'S stat line!!!!!!

12-33 for 126 0 TD 2 INT. Has he EVER had that bad a game? Were his receivers/TE's not all healthy and playing?

I know, I know the weather was bad, but when has he ever had as bad a stat line? The Colts had zero chance in that game going in and they knew it.

Has an investigator asked the Colts whether they did ANYTHING to treat their footballs? It would be an interesting twist if their footballs were purposely untreated so that there would be no deflation in those conditions.

OK, throw your bricks now, my tinfoil hat will protect me!

If anything, I believe it was a sting, and if there is any justice (?) the stingers ought to be the ones stung. Sorta' like f'n oneself:-D......

PatsWickedPissah · Jan 25, 2015

If BB held a presser like that in 2007 he'd have to say honestly, "I disrespected that tool Goodell so much that I tried to outsmart him and wordsmith his memo to read no taping that's used in the game. The commissioner's interpretation rules and technically I have to agree I violated the camera placement rule to no appreciable net gain to my team. My bad."

ctpatsfan77 · Jan 25, 2015

shmessy said:
The outlier is LUCK'S stat line!!!!!!

12-33 for 126 0 TD 2 INT. Has he EVER had that bad a game? Were his receivers/TE's not all healthy and playing?

I know, I know the weather was bad, but when has he ever had as bad a stat line? The Colts had zero chance in that game going in and they knew it.

I'm staying agnostic on what the Colts may or may not have done, but it was definitely the worst game, statistically speaking, Luck's ever had. Worst completion %age, worst QB rating, worst YPA.

Big-T · Jan 25, 2015

Remember all the drops by Colts players too? Boom Herron had 2 alone on one drive!

Now, the Colts do tend to have a case of the dropsies but Sunday brought about even more than usual - were the Footballs used not broken in the same way they usually are making them harder to catch?

DarrylS · Jan 25, 2015

Try this on for size the Colts made sure the balls Luck was using would be "overinflated" so that after the "sting"(game) they would still be within the prescribed limits...

Luck had issues throwing the overinflated balls.. that is why he played so crappy.

This is being reduced to high level jousting between the best coach in the NFL, vs. the petulant commissioner..

The commissioners response lets commission a high level very expensive investigation, to find something anything.. there's gotta be something.

Meanwhile ignore Woody Johnson's comments..

Bonzo · Jan 25, 2015

I certainly wouldn't put it past Irsay, but this whole debacle has been, if nothing else, a stern lesson about withholding judgment until the facts are in hand.

shmessy · Jan 25, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
I'm staying agnostic on what the Colts may or may not have done, but it was definitely the worst game, statistically speaking, Luck's ever had. Worst completion %age, worst QB rating, worst YPA.

And THAT is my point.

The outlier wasn't Brady's stat line compared to his history.

It was Luck's. Any investigator would have to countenance THAT variance.

shmessy · Jan 25, 2015

I'm not saying the Colts would throw the entire game for this, by the way.

It is why they rushed to get the ball to the refs BEFORE halftime - the INT was at 9;21 of the 2nd Qtr, the Pats took over again with Indy's footballs at 4:48 of the 2nd Qtr - - that's pretty damn fast and coordinated for a full confiscation and measurements during the heat of a game - - - - so that the 2nd half would be played with balls that the Patriots never had broken in.

The refs thwarted that hope by simply reflating the original footballs (after making the Patriots use the Colts footballs for the final drive of the 2nd quarter).

Within minutes post-defeat, Irsay was on the phone to Kravitz, and away it went.......

RIpats88 · Jan 25, 2015

the thing that pokes a hole in the haters who are sticking arounds argument of "but the colts balls werent under 12.5!" is the fact that the Colts PLANNED to do this all along. you would think if the planned it they would intentionally inflate the balls to the higher end, and probably in the elements to minimize any deflation.

which I find kind of funny. Rather than worry about what his team can do to not get embarassed again by the patriots, Irsay was more concerned with trying to "get" bill belichick.

Fansince77 · Jan 25, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
I'm staying agnostic on what the Colts may or may not have done, but it was definitely the worst game, statistically speaking, Luck's ever had. Worst completion %age, worst QB rating, worst YPA.

Good thing they supply their own Balls huh? I admit, not watching much media coverage anymore regarding this topic, but has anyone officially stated what the Colts Balls tested out at? where they were inflated, and what was the PSI when they presented them to the Officials? All of that stuff is kind of important if anyone wan`ts to compare bpth Teams in an unbiased manner.

PlainOldEd · Jan 25, 2015

All of these the Colts did or didn't do this or that theories would imply that the colts knew the Pats were doing nothing wrong and the psi drop was purely due to meteorological conditions, so they would have to do something to make them look guilty. That doesn't makes sense to me, there would be too much chance of it blowing up in their faces. I think they thought the Pats were using low PSI balls on purpose and they planned to catch them at it, but the reason their balls experienced no drop is simply that they were already at equilibrium with the environment when they were tested before the game.

The simplest answer is usually the correct one.

Silver Blue&Red · Jan 25, 2015

DarrylS said:
Try this on for size the Colts made sure the balls Luck was using would be "overinflated" so that after the "sting"(game) they would still be within the prescribed limits...

Luck had issues throwing the overinflated balls.. that is why he played so crappy.

This is being reduced to high level jousting between the best coach in the NFL, vs. the petulant commissioner..

The commissioners response lets commission a high level very expensive investigation, to find something anything.. there's gotta be something.

Meanwhile ignore Woody Johnson's comments..

They can't get to Woody till there done with thier exhaustive Browns "TextGate" investigation. You know, the one that's all over the networks.

jlu52 · Jan 25, 2015

PlainOldEd said:
All of these the Colts did or didn't do this or that theories would imply that the colts knew the Pats were doing nothing wrong and the psi drop was purely due to meteorological conditions, so they would have to do something to make them look guilty. That doesn't makes sense to me, there would be too much chance of it blowing up in their faces. I think they thought the Pats were using low PSI balls on purpose and they planned to catch them at it, but the reason their balls experienced no drop is simply that they were already at equilibrium with the environment when they were tested before the game.

The simplest answer is usually the correct one.

This makes sense, except the Bozo commandeering the bus is Irsay. Imho, all sense is lost when this guy is the boss..

Joey007 · Jan 25, 2015

All these Patsfans poster theories are giving me a headache.... aghh

Silver Blue&Red · Jan 25, 2015

PlainOldEd said:
All of these the Colts did or didn't do this or that theories would imply that the colts knew the Pats were doing nothing wrong and the psi drop was purely due to meteorological conditions, so they would have to do something to make them look guilty. That doesn't makes sense to me, there would be too much chance of it blowing up in their faces. I think they thought the Pats were using low PSI balls on purpose and they planned to catch them at it, but the reason their balls experienced no drop is simply that they were already at equilibrium with the environment when they were tested before the game.

The simplest answer is usually the correct one.

No angst meant with my disagree rating, but I do disagree. I 100% believe this was a "get back at" scheme by, mostly, Harbaugh. Brady's "learn the rule " comments were the straw that broke the camels back after our " deceiving " play Sunday. Brady publicly embarrassed him on national TV. I bet if you checked every ball during play at all games this season , you could bet the farm a huge amount would be over or under the legal psi. If the NFL set up a sting, that might just be final straw for me. I've been hanging by a thread with the NFL for a few years now. I get a lot of sick feeling in my stomach every week end during the season anymore.

NYCPatsFan · Jan 25, 2015

shmessy said:
This makes sense.

After hearing from Belichick yesterday (and why the EFF didn't he hold a presser like THAT in 2007????), it is clear that the Patriots treat their footballs with plenty of rubbing substances,as is legal. These substances are one of the factors credited with changing the PSi in the footballs, especially when mixed with the rain/cold/wind conditions.

Why didn't the Colts footballs have the same change in PSi measurement? is a common question asked.

The answer: They WOULD have, had the Colts followed their normal/standard pregame football preparation procedures. Because the revelations coming out increasingly point to this as a coordinated "gotcha" sting operation, perhaps it was the COLTS as the side that did things differently with their routine.

Note: Brady's stat line from that game is no better or worse than his normal stat line.

The outlier is LUCK'S stat line!!!!!!

12-33 for 126 0 TD 2 INT. Has he EVER had that bad a game? Were his receivers/TE's not all healthy and playing?

I know, I know the weather was bad, but when has he ever had as bad a stat line? The Colts had zero chance in that game going in and they knew it.

Has an investigator asked the Colts whether they did ANYTHING to treat their footballs? It would be an interesting twist if their footballs were purposely untreated so that there would be no deflation in those conditions.

OK, throw your bricks now, my tinfoil hat will protect me!

Yo, very much agree with your premise and suggestion - but I admit I am crestfallen because your emphatic title made it sound that you had proof or reports to back up this very plausible theory.

On BB's 2007 reaction to camera-gate. I bet he thought at that point that this was a minor issue and not worthy of a stronger show especially since the Pats had removed a Jets cameraman and the Packers have removed a Pats cameraman (which means, something normal and no big deal). By the time he realized the deadly spin it had taken thanks to BSPN and other 'columnists', it had grown into too big a monster for him to tackle by himself since we were just getting into the second quarter of the regular season. So, he did what he thought was the best: take responsibility, shut it out and thereby protect the team until they could address it later.

Then the Tomtao Tomase 'story' broke out and the defamation went rom bad to worse.

Just my 2 cents...

Thanks bud.

Charlotte Pats Fan · Jan 25, 2015

Did the refs bother to check the Kicking balls at half to see if the pressure dropped as well? Prolly not that would have made to much sense.

RobertWeathers · Jan 25, 2015

jlu52 said:
This makes sense, except the Bozo commandeering the bus is Irsay. Imho, all sense is lost when this guy is the boss..

If true that Drugstore Cowboy was the one who urged the league to investigate the Pats, with his history of personal instability (we all make mistakes but sheesh), why on earth would the league NOT give the Pats the benefit of the doubt/heads up over him?

Something stinks.

JMC00 · Jan 25, 2015

shmessy said:
12-33 for 126 0 TD 2 INT. Has he EVER had that bad a game? Were his receivers/TE's not all healthy and playing?

His longest pass of the game was that 36 yard pass to Hilton on a 3rd down which if Arrington doesnt fall down he probably breaks up and the Colts never score a TD.

And Luck finishes the game

11-29 for 68 yards

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