Harbaugh/Colts responsible for this nonsense.

Harbaugh and BB


Fredo and Don C

You guys may be in tinfoil hat territory looking to explain the Colts' balls being in the "normal" range. So if the Pat's balls start at 12.5 and end up at 10.5, the Colt's balls should end up at 11.5 even if they prefer the 13.5 end of the spectrum. The urge is to explain how the Colts balls get that way. Assuming at least some permeability, why not postulate that the Colts used pure nitrogen or some even bigger molecule that would seep out even slower?

Hey that brings something up by the way. The rule specifies the pressure, not the gas used. Going on another entirely different tangent, do we have any proof that BB the evil genius was not pumping in lighter-than-air helium along w/that nitrogen and oxygen? Hmmmm! Seems that would fly better!

The league needs some evidence that the Pats tampered with the balls post-pressure-check to make the case regardless. It looks like the Pats are pretty confidence there's no such evidence. It'll be more Haterade, who cares at this point.

What they do have evidence of is that players commit rapes, murders, and germane to the Colts, that they use performance enhancing drugs. They have guys beating kids and wives. They give multiple punishments for the same behavior. But oh look! They have the utmost integrity because they measured the air pressure! We cans still trust this game!

This speculation you guys are constructing now... once again, this stuff is just so tenuous you'd never prove this stuff either. But big picture? Chris Kluwe did a great job explaining that the whole game is based on stuff that cripples some of these guys for life, and we're worried about this distraction. He's right.

Jeez I'd like for the Pats to win this one. And then goddammit, two more in a row.

KDPPatsfan85 said:

I hope karma kicks harbaugh, pagano, and irsay hard right in the ass. I hope for the next 3 years, they all draft busts.

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IF the pats are cleared (and I sure hope this all turns out to be as simple and dumb as it seems) and IF the colts played the role of scumbag snitch, forget draft busts. I would hope that Andrew luck, who by accounts seems like a good guy, decides he doesn't want to resign for such a schmuck owner and leaves the colts over this whole thing. THAT would be a delicious backfire.

Fans *****ing about the Ravens without proof are different from fans *****ing about the Patriots without proof in what way?

PatsFanInVa said:

You guys may be in tinfoil hat territory looking to explain the Colts' balls being in the "normal" range. So if the Pat's balls start at 12.5 and end up at 10.5, the Colt's balls should end up at 11.5 even if they prefer the 13.5 end of the spectrum. The urge is to explain how the Colts balls get that way. Assuming at least some permeability, why not postulate that the Colts used pure nitrogen or some even bigger molecule that would seep out even slower?

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Couldn't this be explained simply by saying that the balls used by the Colts were sitting outside before being brought to the refs for checking? Of course as discussed, this is part of the problem since no info is being let out on the entire pressure checking process on those footballs

PatsFanInVa said:

You guys may be in tinfoil hat territory looking to explain the Colts' balls being in the "normal" range. So if the Pat's balls start at 12.5 and end up at 10.5, the Colt's balls should end up at 11.5 even if they prefer the 13.5 end of the spectrum. The urge is to explain how the Colts balls get that way. Assuming at least some permeability, why not postulate that the Colts used pure nitrogen or some even bigger molecule that would seep out even slower?

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The only official fact is that the Patriots balls were below 12.5psi when re-checked and the Colts above. With no knowledge about preparation, measurement procedure, initial pressure, conditions/time for the 2nd measurement etc, it's nonsensical to use the Colts balls as some kind of control experiment or reference.

EDIT: We actually have zero facts on the Colt's footballs. They were not mentioned in the NFL statement.
EDIT: Removed reference to Helium.

smg93 said:

Couldn't this be explained simply by saying that the balls used by the Colts were sitting outside before being brought to the refs for checking? Of course as discussed, this is part of the problem since no info is being let out on the entire pressure checking process on those footballs

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Belichick said that the Patriots ball preparation procedure (which presumably includes some kind of mechanical scrubbing) is responsible for 1psi difference. If one just assumes that the Colts do things differently, or ran their equivalent procedure before travel to Boston, there is not much mystery left (if there even is any).

I hate the Ravens and Colts.

That bit of business out of the way, the media has overwhelming proven three things:
1. They don't have legitimate sources
2. They will speculate wildly about anything and treat it as fact
3. They will create news where there is none in lieu of having to do real, actual, reporting

If this theory catches fire in the media at all, it will only lead me to conclude it's not what happened. They could guess correctly, I suppose (law of averages.) But pretty much if Volin thinks something is possible, I'm going to bet against it. And I'll be right over 90% of the time.

The point about the Colts balls is why didn't they obey the laws of Physics. Clearly they had a different process were the ball kept by the heaters on the bench?

I would like an answer to that question. Due to the videos we are seeing simulating the conditions the balls were exposed to we can see there should be some reduction is air pressure inside the balls.

Deus Irae said:

Fans *****ing about the Ravens without proof are different from fans *****ing about the Patriots without proof in what way?

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Where there is smoke there is fire.

Triumph said:

Where there is smoke there is fire.

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That makes absolutely no sense at all.

patsfan13 said:

The point about the Colts balls is why didn't they obey the laws of Physics. Clearly they had a different process were the ball kept by the heaters on the bench?

I would like an answer to that question. Due to the videos we are seeing simulating the conditions the balls were exposed to we can see there should be some reduction is air pressure inside the balls.

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I'll answer your question as soon as you supply air temperature and pressure of the Colts balls for the initial measurement and final measurement (and preferably also the moisture content of the leather, which also appears to make a difference). Or in other words, no-one can answer your question until the Colts and NFL hold press conferences matching or exceeding today's in terms of detail.

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Hey that brings something up by the way. The rule specifies the pressure, not the gas used. Going on another entirely different tangent, do we have any proof that BB the evil genius was not pumping in lighter-than-air helium along w/that nitrogen and oxygen? Hmmmm! Seems that would fly better!

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All that would accomplish is (slightly) lowering the mass of the football. The pressure is determined by the number of gas molecules inside the ball, not their weight.

FourierSeries said:

I think it was just the Colts. Every Raven has said they didn't notice anything. I don't believe they tipped Indy off.

Indy was just bitter because we made them look like *****es every single time we played them.

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This is a HC or team exec thing. I don't think a player could keep a straight face if he took the ball to the ref and said "this ball is under by 1.63 PSI"'. As we know by now (thanks for that science ESPN!) a game in the cold can/will cause a drop by itself. Even then I doubt most of them would even notice or care.
This, was done by an opposing HC and/or team exec, one that has issues controlling their emotions and have an axe to grind, one that would pull a Rat Fxxk (as they called it in politics) because of these undesirable qualities.

John Harbaugh is the Ravens. John Harbaugh showed he doesn't control his emotions very well. John Harbaugh is known for his *****ing/whining poor sportsmanship to the refs and in general after the game (I think he might be the biggest offender). John Harbaugh was livid and emotional for the ineligible receiver formation and all but called it cheating (what word has been used lately in the press?). John Harbaugh didn't and couldn't accept his own incompetence on that situation. Given that, IMHO, John Harbaugh is a square peg for the square hole. Add in a certain very high up, the highest, Colt's exec who is a notorious bad loser (they were the whiniest GM/Owner combo to ever grace the NFL) and you wind up with a whiny characterless match made in heaven.

MoreBellhorn said:

The Colts won't have to worry about that this year. They essentially drafted a bust with their 1st rounder via trade. By the way, that might have been the worst trade in NFL history.

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The Browns blow out the gm and coach that made that trade and discovered hoyer.. And bring in the regime that uses their first round pick to get Johnny football and free agent Ben Tate.. The Browns are hilarious.

Show416 said:

That ***** Harbaugh did this because he knew the Colts would get destroyed. They created this stupid story so the media focuses on it rather than the whole Ray Rice scandal during SuperBowl week and media row. It sounds like a crazy conspiracy but is it really?

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Not too sure about this. Any issue that involves league action is sure to bring up the debacle that was the Ray Rice case. Had this not been brought up we would have had 2 weeks of Brady v Wilson, Revis v Sherman, West Coast Cheerleader v BB. This is shaping up to be the best SB match-up in the last, what, 25 years? There are way too many stories to be had here without bringing up something that has absolutely no connection to Super Bowl Week.

BBs explanation explains the Colts balls and Patriots. The Colts likely prepped their balls before they came. And at inspection they were not artificially high from being broke in. They also could have been set higher to begin with, and we don't even know that they weren't below 12.5. It could be the refs set them all and the Patriots balls dropping 1.0 more than the Colts raised suspicion. No conspiracies are necessary at this point.

MoreBellhorn said:

The Colts won't have to worry about that this year. They essentially drafted a bust with their 1st rounder via trade. By the way, that might have been the worst trade in NFL history.

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But that trade happened pre defakegate.

Deus Irae said:

That makes absolutely no sense at all.

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Makes total sense

Triumph said:

Makes total sense

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You may be right.

However, it would be wise to recognize the irony that "where there's smoke, there's fire" is what the media has been using to crucify the Patriots.

Works both ways.