Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

Bobsyouruncle said:

I believe nitrogen still expands, just maybe not as much. We use it in aircraft tires and other applications. Definitely affected by the cold, but don't know the difference. It may not be enough to matter at low pressures, or small containers. Mythbusters checked helium and that didn't matter. But, in all likelihood they don't use it because they know it's not a big deal.

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Reason nitrogen is used is to get longer life from the tires by eliminating the oxygen, which reacts with the tire material and over time causes degradation of the tires. Also, the nitrogen is bone dry and eliminates any problems that may be caused by water in the air. Nitrogen still adheres to the PV = nRT law

patsfanincleveland said:

That's what the looking for validation from the media types have to ask.

If the league just came out and admitted the truth- they don't actually check the footballs......can you imagine the reaction from the nut job crowd about how the league cheats for the Patriots?

The league needs a way out. The investigators will come up with recommendations for improved security and testing.

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Then Bob Kraft needs to get his **** together and get his own investigators to look into this thing - and hold the NFL accountable should they have an oversight.

upstater1 said:

I have really felt the same as Holley. People are nuts. Rationality is out the window.

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The transcript of that is hilarious...

Talking about when Brady got drafted and he stepped up to "Mr. Crap" and told him it was the best decision "whoever" made.

bpippin said:

Why don't they fill the balls with nitrogen, wouldn't this solve the temp differential problem

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It would be enough to simply make the teams pump their game balls outside on the field before the game. Put a referee to each of the teams that checks them while it is being done. Problem solved.

If there is a dramatic temperature change in the game that would still affect those balls then just reinflate them at halftime.

DarrylS said:

As is the voice of reason... "the Pats have to be cheating".

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Longtime Patriots fans finally have a great team to follow and it turns out that they are so consistently good that people can't believe it so they are free to air their unbased suspicions. Unreal.

Anyway, good piece by Curran:

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/curran-do-we-have-john-harbaugh-thank

..Neither Irsay nor the Ravens organization draped itself in glory this year. Irsay was suspended for the first six games of the season for driving under the influence of drugs. The Ray Rice arrest, suspension, re-suspension and the investigation into the investigation that followed dominated national headlines for weeks.

That these two organizations collaborated to force the NFL into launching a league investigation into...ball pressure? And that the league snapped to attention in a show of force to show they won’t be asleep at the wheel on … ball pressure?

You cannot make that up.

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BradyManny said:

The league would be foolish to ignore science that anybody with basic equipment could replicate. The blowback on them would be even greater than it would be if Brady had lied, for instance.

I'm fairly confident the truth will come out - my only question is if the investigators will pay it enough mind to realize it. But if the NFL discovers this was much ado about nothing and Patriots were not at all at fault, there's too much at stake for them to stifle that.

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This is the 800lb elephant in the room and will require a fairly lengthy answer and fuel more questions.

If the league comes out and says that the Pats balls were 12.5 and were outside for 1 hr and went down to 10.5 and are exonerated from any wrongdoing, here are your questions....

Q: "Why did the Colts balls stay the same?"

I can rattle off 20 different scenarios that go back to the Pats, Colts, balls, etc.

All the league needs to do is say that it had some process issues and needs to have better controls over the testing environment and the time game balls are exposed to the elements.

This all goes away.

robertweathers said:

This is the 800lb elephant in the room and will require a fairly lengthy answer and fuel more questions.

If the league comes out and says that the Pats balls were 12.5 and were outside for 1 hr and went down to 10.5 and are exonerated from any wrongdoing, here are your questions....

Q: "Why did the Colts balls stay the same?"

I can rattle off 20 different scenarios that go back to the Pats, Colts, balls, etc.

All the league needs to do is say that it had some process issues and needs to have better controls over the testing environment and the time game balls are exposed to the elements.

This all goes away.

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I hope you are right however every witch hunt finds witches. If they wanted to use a scientific explanation, the investigation would be over already. Remember, all t took was interviews with people in the league office to exonerate the POS in Ricegate.

EEI just said that nobody from the Patriots (didn't specify players, coaches, trainers, etc) have been questioned by the league in regards to the investigation. How does that make any sense? Is the NFL that dumb (I should know better to say that) to drag their feet on this if its possible it could have been wrapped up early in the week?

Sorry guys, I'm on to #BroccoliGate.

Matt Chatham ‏@chatham58 17m17 minutes ago
Just got home from grocery store. My 12 oz bag of broccoli contains 11.6 oz of food. Either prez of Stop & Shop or stock boy should be fired

Matt Chatham ‏@chatham58 2m2 minutes ago
Here's scene at my local grocery store. This shall not stand! No broccoli in the SuperBowl or something #BroccoliGate

Dawkins already backpedaling, of course none of these media big mouths will be held accountable for their actions and they'll just start talking about the game as if nothing happened.

Sfpat said:

Reason nitrogen is used is to get longer life from the tires by eliminating the oxygen, which reacts with the tire material and over time causes degradation of the tires. Also, the nitrogen is bone dry and eliminates any problems that may be caused by water in the air. Nitrogen still adheres to the PV = nRT law

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Isn't the water in the air a factor in the pressure changes at changing temps?

SVN said:

Iam frankly worried about tomase type blindside by our media next sunday.

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It truly is amazing how nasty Boston sports media is to local teams and fans. They bend over backwards not to be homers. I think part of it has to do with having national aspirations and because they consider it fashionable. But mostly, they believe they have to agitate for attention in a crowded media marketplace.

flasox27 said:

I hope you are right however every witch hunt finds witches. If they wanted to use a scientific explanation, the investigation would be over already. Remember, all t took was interviews with people in the league office to exonerate the POS in Ricegate.

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The problems now are timing and follow up questions...this will bleed into all of next week now. Even if the Pats are exonerated more questions will come...Pats...Colts...Ravens..game day ball operations...it'll be a reality TV show...put a camera and follow around the super bowl...ugh.

With all that said, I'd like nothing more than the Colts, Ravens, Goody and the league get shredded for escalating a non-issue.

I want redemption...badly.

this is just hilarious...a CNN writer...CNN...but of course.."former ESPN" employee

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/23/opinion/jones-patriots-super-bowl/index.html

Uncle Rico said:

Longtime Patriots fans finally have a great team to follow and it turns out that they are so consistently good that people can't believe it so they are free to air their unbased suspicions. Unreal.

Anyway, good piece by Curran:

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/curran-do-we-have-john-harbaugh-thank

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Not to mention that a tampering charge was filed on the very same day this bomb explodes. Curious timing, eh.

Well, it's not like theres ever been animosty between the Jets and NE.

shmessy said:

I believe the "sourced" reports today confirmed that the balls left the referees' custody 10 minutes prior to game time.

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Thanks for that info.

So, in theory, the Patriots would have had "10 minutes to deflate 12 footballs".
This means that in those 10 minutes, someone would have to "take them to someplace nobody can see it being done". Which means that there were (10 - N) minutes left to do this. If this "secret place" is inside the locker-room or broom-closet, that person would have to immediately get those balls outside, on the field, for kickoff. This would also take X minutes off the total time. Or, that this "evil deed" was done ON the sidelines, which would increase the chances of someone getting suspicious. In this case, there would be no X or N minutes deducted. This would give the highest possible time to de-flate all 12 footballs.

Now, what is curious is that 11 of the 12 (assuming this is a fact) were under-inflated. This would be possible if there was NOT enough time (10 minutes ran out) for someone to complete the "evil deed".

The FACT that came out of the NFL statement what that the "12 backup footballs" used by the Patriots in 2nd-half were in regulation BEFORE AND AFTER the 2nd half. They actually measured them. This means that the "cold/weather" did not have an effect on the footballs.

I think Volin will pull a **** move like that idiot Tomase did.

I can't figure out why more of the media isn't screaming at the NFL for their time schedule. This article was fantastic.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/steve_buckley/2015/01/buckley_hey_nfl_stop_stalling

dreighver said:

We're naive and kidding ourselves if we think the NFL is a clean, morally upstanding league of integrity. It's not. It's a cutthroat, competitive environment where everyone and anyone will do anything and everything to gain an edge. It's the nature of the beast -- success is at a premium and winning is so valued, so ingrained in the culture that folks are naturally going to go to all possibles lengths to have success and win. These actions and thoughts are almost subconscious.

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Has anyone else played "Blitz: The League" for PS2? (I think it was made for the Xbox too.) It was developed by Midway after the NFL yanked their licensing for the "NFL Blitz" games. Word on the street was the game's "story" was written by the guys who wrote a short-lived fictional series on BSPN called "Playmakers," which the NFL all but forced BSPN to cancel because of the (probably not far from reality) way it depicted pro football players. In the game you can do all sorts of vice - give your players more 'roids than a pro wrestler, send hookers to your opponents' hotel the night before a game, even bet on your own team (to get yourself more cash to pay for the 'roids and hookers.)

The game featured the voice and likeness of Lawrence Taylor, who made this commercial for it:



Back then I didn't want to believe it. These days, however, I'm thinking more and more that he was telling the truth.

OhExaulted1 said:

Not to mention that a tampering charge was filed on the very same day this bomb explodes. Curious timing, eh.

Well, it's not like theres ever been animosty between the Jets and NE.

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A source used by the commissioner in the past, Glazer has intimated that league was not happy that Pats filed the tampering charge against poor senile Woody and the good guy Jets.