Vegas Rumour: No Punishment For Patriots

BradyManny · Jan 23, 2015

Rob0729 said:
There is no way this ends with no punishment. Goodell will have to give the Pats something or the league will come under fire.

Are you sure about this? Goodell's judgement has been questioned about handing out arbitrary punishment without evidence already - would he do it again? Again, I'm sure he wants to - but not sure he can here, if there's really no evidence.

Kontradiction · Jan 23, 2015

Based on everything we've heard, there shouldn't be a punishment. There's no proof whatsoever that this was malicious and that the organization was behind it all the way. Then again, this is Goodell we're talking about. An assclown of a commissioner. So it wouldn't surprise me to see him hand down a punishment without any proof.

Rob0729 · Jan 23, 2015

Ivan said:
Why should,it be a fine and a pick when they warned,the Vikings and Panthers? And if the answer is to,protect Goodell then the Krafts should fight it with everything they have. The NFL f.cked up, the refs never checked the balls and short of true documentation that they used a gauge on each ball and logged the results the patriots should tell them they will not accept punishment without proof. People can say what they want about the league's ability to sanction at will but that doesn't mean they can do so without actual proof of wrongdoing, and in this case they have none. Imo the Patriots inflated the balls to 12.5 per requirement and the refs simply squeeze tested a few and said they were good, then when they pulled them they were under because of the weather. No harm, no foul. Case closed, come up with a better protocol.

I don't believe anyone tampered with them and the Krafts should come out and tell the world that they will challenge future claims that someone did in court.

Why? Because no one cared about the Vikings and Panthers doing it. This is the lead story on ever news channel. It isn't fair, but Goodell is going to make his ruling in part based on the public perception rather than evidence and justice. It is the way this thing is going to go down after Ray Rice.

And we do not know the facts of the case. To say the refs screwed up in their inspection of the balls is the same thing as people saying that Belichick had a ball boy on the sidelines with a pin deflating balls. That is wild speculation.

Ivan · Jan 23, 2015

Rob0729 said:
I doubt it. My guess is that Kraft will sign off on the punishment which should be a fine and a loss of a draft pick. Kraft cares too much about the league to sue.

In which case he cares about the league but not his franchise or fans because taking this laying down would tarnish it even further. I actually think the Krafts have been pushing back hard on this behind the scenes and that's why the NFL is having a much tougher time with it than all the morons thought they would.

Jackson 2 · Jan 23, 2015

KontradictioN said:
Based on everything we've heard, there shouldn't be a punishment. There's no proof whatsoever that this was malicious and that the organization was behind it all the way. Then again, this is Goodell we're talking about. An assclown of a commissioner. So it wouldn't surprise me to see him hand down a punishment without any proof.

In my opinion, that's when we'll really find out about Bob Kraft and his gonad level.

TomPatriot · Jan 23, 2015

Rob0729 said:
You really think the owners would flip? A lot of them want Belichick suspended from the league forever. Don't forget both Spygate and Deflategate started because other teams ratted on them. There isn't a lot of solidarity on this.

Kraft will negotiate down the punishment, but he would never sue the league. Right or wrong. Never going to happen.

You're right.

Payback is coming but not to the NFL. I suspect most of the "leaks" are coming from Irsay and it would not be shocking if it was disinformation (we've already had that with Jackson). Irsay is pissed that his team was slaughtered twice and he was suspended for six games for DUI. He has an axe to grind and THAT is what I think this is really about.

Rob0729 · Jan 23, 2015

RIpats88 said:
Rob, you are no better than the media by "guessing the reports are pretty accurate" so far this has looked like nothing but the Media licking their chops to "bring down the patriots dynasty!"

the most likely scenario IMO is

1. Patriots submitted some balls underinflated to the refs.

2. Refs dont "really" check 48 balls with a pressure guage before. they simply squeeze a few balls and if they dont feel a difference they clear them.

3. All the nfl can prove is that the balls were deflated. there is no way to prove if the pats tampered with them

Wait a second. Me believing the reports may be true is guessing, but your opinion that this is a witch hunt and a smear campaign against the Pats and they are manufacturing reports are true.

We have no idea what the facts are.

BTW, you are wrong about how they check balls. They do check with a pressure gauge. MMQB.com followed a ref crew around in 2013. And they filmed them checking the pressure.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Kontradiction · Jan 23, 2015

Jackson 2 said:
In my opinion, that's when we'll really find out about Bob Kraft and his gonad level.

Maybe. He's shown that, so far, he has none. He stood in front of the mirror, Buffalo Bill style, and tucked them between his legs during Spygate. Hopefully this ridiculous scandal is different.

BadMoFo · Jan 23, 2015

I think we are all grasping at straws here. Believing a twitter user who is also a Pats fan. Of course he's gonna say there will be no punishment.

Rob0729 · Jan 23, 2015

PATS16N0 said:
Deflated fotbolls aren't necessarily evidence of any wrong doing. It might have just been an equipment malfunction. If the NFL can find no proof of any crime, I don't see how they can punish the Patriots simply because the media hasn't stopped talking about it.

Hopefully they don't and ESPN just looks incredibly stupid.

If Goodell determines that the pressure is less than what could be naturally from the time they checked the pressure before the game and since, he can say that is enough evidence.

Again, I don't agree with this. But I am looking at this from a PR and marketing perspective, and I see there is no way that Goodell is going to say that there is no punishment due to lack of evidence.

dannydyn · Jan 23, 2015

Rob0729 said:
There is no way this ends with no punishment. Goodell will have to give the Pats something or the league will come under fire.

If the league releases an official statement, stating that no evidence were found in connection to the Patriots deflating the balls, you CANNOT impose ANY fine or punishment. If I'm found innocent then what am I being penalized for? for being scapegoat?!?!?

Ivan · Jan 23, 2015

Rob0729 said:
Why? Because no one cared about the Vikings and Panthers doing it. This is the lead story on ever news channel. It isn't fair, but Goodell is going to make his ruling in part based on the public perception rather than evidence and justice. It is the way this thing is going to go down after Ray Rice.

And we do not know the facts of the case. To say the refs screwed up in their inspection of the balls is the same thing as people saying that Belichick had a ball boy on the sidelines with a pin deflating balls. That is wild speculation.

So you think the refs checked the PSI of every ball? I sure as he'll don't.

And as far as people not caring about the Vikes and Panthers that's irrelevant, the NFL set precedent with them, that's what matters, not what Timmy the Hater in mommy's Basement thinks. The Krafts are going too expect that precedent be followed because in this case they have one to follow.

Honestly Rob, I respect you as a poster but I think you spend way to much time listening to media morons like Felger and Mazz and they cloud your perspective.

Galeb · Jan 23, 2015

Rob0729 said:
Wait a second. Me believing the reports may be true is guessing, but your opinion that this is a witch hunt and a smear campaign against the Pats and they are manufacturing reports are true.

We have no idea what the facts are.

BTW, you are wrong about how they check balls. They do check with a pressure gauge. MMQB.com followed a ref crew around in 2013. And they filmed them checking the pressure.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Dude, of course they'd cross their Ts and dot their Is when there is a news crew following them... There are former ball boys stating explicitly that more often than not, the refs just squeezed and handled the balls.

This was a setup by Irsay and likely included help from Harbaugh, Pagano and others.. It is my genuine hope that the NFL investigation finds evidence of this, and that all of the guilty parties are punished.

Foxypats · Jan 23, 2015

It doesn't matter if the NFL has no evidence, it doesn't even matter if they come out and say 'the Patriots did nothing wrong and we apologise to them'. The public and the media still hate them and there will always be a belief that the NFL is hiding something. I live in Vancouver surrounded by Seahawk fans ,even the few that are not, do not want the Patriots to win, think they are cheaters blah blah blah !! This is the public perception and will always remain the same till BB and Brady leave the NFL
I don't even know if I want to watch this game. I don't see how we win. The league won't allow it. Every time the Pats even look at the Seahawks they'll get a penalty !! This was supposed to be two glorious weeks leading up to the big game and its just left such a sour taste in my mouth.
( OK, I will watch the game but with a very nervous and tense feeling )

dannydyn · Jan 23, 2015

The only punishment/fine/suspension I'm looking for is the one imposed on the Colts, for (hopefully) having been found to have tempered with the Patriots balls.

Ivan · Jan 23, 2015

Rob0729 said:
If Goodell determines that the pressure is less than what could be naturally from the time they checked the pressure before the game and since, he can say that is enough evidence.

Again, I don't agree with this. But I am looking at this from a PR and marketing perspective, and I see there is no way that Goodell is going to say that there is no punishment due to lack of evidence.

You can't tell an NFL owner you are fining them because of PR or marketing reasons, you need proof of wrongdoing not supposition.

QuantumMechanic · Jan 23, 2015

Rob0729 said:
Kraft will negotiate down the punishment, but he would never sue the league. Right or wrong. Never going to happen.

According to the piece the other day on SI by Michael McCann (a sports lawyer), all the teams have contractually agreed to not sue each other or the league.

PATS16N0 · Jan 23, 2015

Rob0729 said:
If Goodell determines that the pressure is less than what could be naturally from the time they checked the pressure before the game and since, he can say that is enough evidence.

Again, I don't agree with this. But I am looking at this from a PR and marketing perspective, and I see there is no way that Goodell is going to say that there is no punishment due to lack of evidence.

If that's the case then the NFL adheres to Banana Republic justice, and the media is now in charge of who should get 1st round draft picks, or who should get fines, because they have the power to drum up a mob against a team which the NFL then needs to appease by handing out punishments.

Ridiculous if true

Rob0729 · Jan 23, 2015

dannydyn said:
If the league releases an official statement, stating that no evidence were found in connection to the Patriots deflating the balls, you CANNOT impose ANY

First of all, I don't believe they will just release a statement. They can't. Not after the media crap storm. That is why I don't believe this report. If they just issue a press release at the end of today or over the weekend, the media will crush them. Goodell has to announce it in a press conference or at least have a press conference immediately after it is released.

The only way they resolve the Pats is if the PSI differential is far less than what Chris Mortensen was reporting. Otherwise, he is going to throw the book at the Pats. There is no way around that. Saying it isn't fair or whatever is irrelevant. If there is enough evidence for him to believe that they did it even if he can't prove it, he will punish the Pats.

condon84 · Jan 23, 2015

The $h!tstorm that would happen if the Patriots receive no punishment would be epic.

At this point, the NFL almost has to render some type of punishment I think. 11 of the 12 balls were found below the legal limit and it was handled by the ball boy (team employee) during the game. Even if everyone from the organization feigns ignorance, the deflation of the ball was under the watch of the organization. The refs certainly did not deflate the ball 2 PSI below the legal limit and the weather during that game was not cold enough to do the same.

If Mort's report was erroneous and instead of 2 it was .2, then obviously it's more plausible that the ball's dropped in pressure was due to weather. In this scenario I could see how no punishment would be necessary.

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