Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

ArchAngel007 said:

"Thanks for asking"
"Yeah"
"Maybe"

How great would that be

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Throw in some:
"it is what it is"
"we're just focusing on Seattle"

Pissing them off sounds better than not attending now actually!

Call me a conspiracy buff, but I suspect a Swedish connection.

Media day is going to be fun. I may even take a half day from work.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/23/deflategate-patriots-super-bowl-xlix/
Not so good news, still not official, but from 'reliable source':

• The 12 footballs used in the first half for New England, and the 12 footballs used by the Colts, all left the officials’ locker room before the game at the prescribed pressure level of between 12.5 pounds per square inch and 13.5 PSI.

• All 24 footballs were checked by pressure gauge at halftime. I am told either 11 or 12 of New England’s footballs (ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported it was 11, and I hear it could have been all 12) had at least two pounds less pressure in them. All 12 Indianapolis footballs were at the prescribed level.

• All 24 footballs were checked by pressure gauge after the game. All 24 checked at the correct pressure—which is one of the last pieces of the puzzle the league needed to determine with certainty that something fishy happened with the Patriots footballs, because the Colts’ balls stayed correctly inflated for the nearly four hours. There had been reports quoting atmospheric experts that cold weather could deflate footballs. But if the Patriots’ balls were all low, and the Colts’ balls all legit, that quashes that theorem.

The conclusion: There is little doubt the New England footballs were tampered with by a human.

PrairiePat said:

All 24 footballs were checked by pressure gauge after the game. All 24 checked at the correct pressure—which is one of the last pieces of the puzzle the league needed to determine with certainty that something fishy happened with the Patriots footballs, because the Colts’ balls stayed correctly inflated for the nearly four hours. There had been reports quoting atmospheric experts that cold weather could deflate footballs. But if the Patriots’ balls were all low, and the Colts’ balls all legit, that quashes that theorem.

The conclusion: There is little doubt the New England footballs were tampered with by a human.

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It takes 10 minutes for them to warm back up, the Colts balls got checked after the Pats ones at HT which meant there's checked out fine, after the game the original 12 Patriots ones had warmed back up so measured in at 12.5.

Mystery solved.

PrairiePat said:

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/23/deflategate-patriots-super-bowl-xlix/
Not so good news, still not official, but from 'reliable source':

• The 12 footballs used in the first half for New England, and the 12 footballs used by the Colts, all left the officials’ locker room before the game at the prescribed pressure level of between 12.5 pounds per square inch and 13.5 PSI.

• All 24 footballs were checked by pressure gauge at halftime. I am told either 11 or 12 of New England’s footballs (ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported it was 11, and I hear it could have been all 12) had at least two pounds less pressure in them. All 12 Indianapolis footballs were at the prescribed level.

• All 24 footballs were checked by pressure gauge after the game. All 24 checked at the correct pressure—which is one of the last pieces of the puzzle the league needed to determine with certainty that something fishy happened with the Patriots footballs, because the Colts’ balls stayed correctly inflated for the nearly four hours. There had been reports quoting atmospheric experts that cold weather could deflate footballs. But if the Patriots’ balls were all low, and the Colts’ balls all legit, that quashes that theorem.

The conclusion: There is little doubt the New England footballs were tampered with by a human.

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He doesn't explain how the Pats were using the Colts balls before the end of the 1st half. Adam Schefter also said NFL having a hard time finding evidence

There is still some missing info to be sure - he specifically mentions 'pressure gauge' for the halftime check, and the post game check, but omits that for the pre game check.

And it's a bit unclear which 24 he's talking about at the end - presumably it's the original Indy 12 and the backup Pats 12, but that's not spelled out very clearly.

PrairiePat said:

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/23/deflategate-patriots-super-bowl-xlix/

• All 24 footballs were checked by pressure gauge after the game. All 24 checked at the correct pressure—which is one of the last pieces of the puzzle the league needed to determine with certainty that something fishy happened with the Patriots footballs, because the Colts’ balls stayed correctly inflated for the nearly four hours. There had been reports quoting atmospheric experts that cold weather could deflate footballs. But if the Patriots’ balls were all low, and the Colts’ balls all legit, that quashes that theorem.

The conclusion: There is little doubt the New England footballs were tampered with by a human.

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What an agenda-driving idiot Peter King is.

This exonerates the Patriots, it doesnt indict them.

So not only did Patriot ball-boys deflate footballs while hiding from cameras, but they also reinflated them too?

I might believe that somehow someone snuck in a pin and took out 2 pounds of PSI but I refuse to believe that some Patriot managed to reinflate them with a fricking air-pump without being seen.

Child please.

And if these footballs were confiscated and in possession of the officials, I suppose Belichick put on his ninja-hoodie and went all Mission Impossible on them?

PrairiePat said:

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/23/deflategate-patriots-super-bowl-xlix/
Not so good news, still not official, but from 'reliable source':

• The 12 footballs used in the first half for New England, and the 12 footballs used by the Colts, all left the officials’ locker room before the game at the prescribed pressure level of between 12.5 pounds per square inch and 13.5 PSI.

• All 24 footballs were checked by pressure gauge at halftime. I am told either 11 or 12 of New England’s footballs (ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported it was 11, and I hear it could have been all 12) had at least two pounds less pressure in them. All 12 Indianapolis footballs were at the prescribed level.

• All 24 footballs were checked by pressure gauge after the game. All 24 checked at the correct pressure—which is one of the last pieces of the puzzle the league needed to determine with certainty that something fishy happened with the Patriots footballs, because the Colts’ balls stayed correctly inflated for the nearly four hours. There had been reports quoting atmospheric experts that cold weather could deflate footballs. But if the Patriots’ balls were all low, and the Colts’ balls all legit, that quashes that theorem.

The conclusion: There is little doubt the New England footballs were tampered with by a human.

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Somebody should ask the idiot if he knows the environmental conditions in which the Colts filled their balls and also how the Pats filled their balls. If they were not identical obviously you can't expect the balls to be affected the same way by weather.

There is an easy fix to all those issues. Make the teams pump up their balls outside on the field in the future. This should minimize pressure differences due to weather and the refs can check it all while it is being done.

Danger Zone said:

What an agenda-driving idiot Peter King is.

This exonerates the Patriots, it doesnt indict them.

So not only did Patriot ball-boys deflate footballs while hiding from cameras, but they also reinflated them too?

I might believe that somehow someone snuck in a pin and took out 2 pounds of PSI but I refuse to believe that some Patriot managed to reinflate them with a fricking air-pump without being seen.

Child please.

And if these footballs were confiscated and in possession of the officials, I suppose Belichick put on his ninja-hoodie and went all Mission Impossible on them?

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It really seems like the media never got over the NFL handling of the Pats punishment from 2007.

7.5 years of hate all coming out now.

luuked said:

Somebody should ask the idiot if he knows the environmental conditions in which the Colts filled their balls and also how the Pats filled their balls. If they were not identical obviously you can't expect the balls to be affected the same way by weather.

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King thinks its all just pass/fail. But with science, its not that black and white.

Along with the environmental conditions that both teams filled their footballs with, we also need to know if there were any differences in the temperatures in which each team stored their balls during both halves and at what temperature the footballs were tested at (and whether enough time was given, or too much time taken in taking those readings).

Take the Patriot footballs out of the cold at half-time and test them indoors at 70 degrees and those footballs will still have lost PSI.

If they THEN test the Colt footballs who have been warming up all this time, then those footballs will have regained any PSI lost due to the cold temperatures.

Theres about half a dozen scenarios where the test results are going to be skewed if footballs from either team are allowed to warm up or not be warmed up unequally.

Basically we need to know
1) The exact PSI of the Patriots when tested before the game (not a range)
2) The exact PSI of the Colts when tested before the game (not a range)
3) Were the Patriots footballs out in the cold during the first half
4) Were the Colts footballs out in the cold during the first half
5) At what temperature were the Patriot footballs tested at during half-time (and did the Patriot footballs have time to acclimate to that temperature)
6) At what temperature were the Colts footballs tested at during half-time (and did the Colts footballs have time to acclimate to that temperature)
7) Were the Patriots footballs out in the cold during the second half
8) Were the Colts footballs out in the cold during the second half
9) At what temperature were the Patriot footballs tested at after the game (and did the Patriot footballs have time to acclimate to that temperature)
10) At what temperature were the Colts footballs tested at after the game (and did the Colts footballs have time to acclimate to that temperature)

and finally

11)Who had access to the Patriot footballs in the second half? Were they confiscated or not?

Danger Zone said:

King thinks its all just pass/fail. But with science, its not that black and white.

Along with the environmental conditions that both teams filled their footballs with, we also need to know if there were any differences in the temperatures in which each team stored their balls during both halves and at what temperature the footballs were tested at (and whether enough time was given, or too much time taken in taking those readings).

Take the Patriot footballs out of the cold at half-time and test them indoors at 70 degrees and those footballs will still have lost PSI.

If they THEN test the Colt footballs who have been warming up all this time, then those footballs will have regained any PSI lost due to the cold temperatures.

Theres about half a dozen scenarios where the test results are going to be skewed if footballs from either team are allowed to warm up or not be warmed up unequally.

Basically we need to know
1) The exact PSI of the Patriots when tested before the game (not a range)
2) The exact PSI of the Colts when tested before the game (not a range)
3) Were the Patriots footballs out in the cold during the first half
4) Were the Colts footballs out in the cold during the first half
5) At what temperature were the Patriot footballs tested at during half-time (and did the Patriot footballs have time to acclimate to that temperature)
6) At what temperature were the Colts footballs tested at during half-time (and did the Colts footballs have time to acclimate to that temperature)
7) Were the Patriots footballs out in the cold during the second half
8) Were the Colts footballs out in the cold during the second half
9) At what temperature were the Patriot footballs tested at after the game (and did the Patriot footballs have time to acclimate to that temperature)
10) At what temperature were the Colts footballs tested at after the game (and did the Colts footballs have time to acclimate to that temperature)

and finally

11)Who had access to the Patriot footballs in the second half? Were they confiscated or not?

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You are missing the key question. The temperature at which they were filled. Everyone argues that it was 50 degree outside therefore the difference in weather is not that big. Well if I work on the balls at 80+ Fahrenheit then suddenly the drop becomes bigger.

If the colts fill them at 60 something of course theirs will not be affected by temperature difference as much. More importantly they started out being filled higher anyway so of course they will stay within the range.

luuked said:

You are missing the key question. The temperature at which they were filled. Everyone argues that it was 50 degree outside therefore the difference in weather is not that big. Well if I work on the balls at 80+ Fahrenheit then suddenly the drop becomes bigger.

If the colts fill them at 60 something of course theirs will not be affected by temperature difference as much. More importantly they started out being filled higher anyway so of course they will stay within the range.

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I should just include that.

You are right, that IS a very key piece of information. I was responding to the poster that was stating that very point and so I was kind of including that point as prefacing/included in with mine.

Danger Zone said:

I should just include that.

You are right, but I was responding to the poster that was asking that very question and I was adding all the other information we would need to know.

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I was that poster. Sorry I thought you compiled a big list of questions.

BradyManny said:

Unconfirmed report that Tom Brady & Bill Belichick are responsible for 9/11. Belichick to address in full at his presser today.

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"Sources close to the investigation" report that Tom Brady will deny taking the Lindbergh baby later today. NFL investigators to hold seance in attempt to interview Bruno Hauptmann and Red Grange. Belichick's response, "I've told you everything I know."

luuked said:

I was that poster. Sorry I thought you compiled a big list of questions.

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Then we both agree. Your question is the foundation on which the NFL should be doing their investigation.

pheenix11 said:

Yeah I read that one earlier. Another classy New Yorker.

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That piece was even worse before O'Connor got destroyed by the readers in the comments section.

Originally he had the incredible statement in the opening paragraph something to the effect of 'There's no way Brady could not have noticed that the ball was two pounds lighter'.

The readers DESTOYED him.

Within 2 hours, the paragraph was edited to 'could not have noticed the lower pressure'.

Unbelievable, after all that even science idiots like me have learned early on in this saga, that someone can publish such incorrect nonsense (and have the national editors of ESPN approve it). The fact that regular joe sports fans guffawed him into submission speaks volumes.

dreighver said:

Just to elaborate a bit on this, the official tweets are below. Who knows if they're legit.

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Sharks of Vegas @SharksOfVegas · 3h3 hours ago
BREAKING - Our source has CONFIRMED there will be NO penalties imposed on the Patriots by the NFL in the wake of deflategate.

Sharks of Vegas @SharksOfVegas · 3h3 hours ago
Official announcement is expected sometime over the weekend. NFL simply has no "proof" the Patriots themselves tampered with the balls.

Sharks of Vegas @SharksOfVegas · 3h3 hours ago
NFL is not saying the balls were not tampered with, just that there is very little evidence against the Patriots.

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Who is this guy?

supafly said:

I hate to be argumentative, but all I see is some idiot's personal opinion. In the days of the world wide web, that is something that just about everyone is entitled to.

We are constantly seeing this everyday in politics.

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The original, before the readers forced him into correction, had an egregious and funny science mistake.