Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

spook75 · Jan 22, 2015

You know what is ironic.. Even if not blatant breaking rules, some would try to argue it is against the spirit of the game, but as many testimonies from other QB's and coaches already has proven it is totally within the spirit of the game!

Jackson 2 · Jan 22, 2015

shmessy said:
Fine, but the Colts had already brought it up to the NFL's attention two months previous. They were already obsessed with it.

Can someone, anyone , tell me why if the Colts complained to the league in November the league didn't inform the Patriots that another team had filed a complaint against them? Is it me, or does that not have the stink of an ambush all over it? Who TF operates that way? Where else do you not get the opportunity to defend yourself against a charge, obviously considered extremely serious and egregious????

Ivan · Jan 22, 2015

upstater1 said:
Wait a minute. If this is a sting operation as you say, then why bother measuring the balls at all? Why not just keep an eye on them?

I didn't say it was a sting operation, I think that's crazy and will ultimately be denied by the league. What I did was that a sting operation would not only test the balls but document their air pressure if they were trying to prove tampering. Initialing the actual pressure of each ball would be easy to do and absent that documentation n you can't prove anything.

shmessy · Jan 22, 2015

spook75 said:
You know what is ironic.. Even if not blatant breaking rules, some would try to argue it is against the spirit of the game, but as many testimonies from other QB's and coaches already has proven it is totally within the spirit of the game!

BEFORE the game.

Not DURING.

Triumph · Jan 22, 2015

This whole thing sucks.

I live out of NE and don't particularly like being called a cheater every day.

shmessy · Jan 22, 2015

Jackson 2 said:
Can someone, anyone , tell me why if the Colts complained to the league in November the league didn't inform the Patriots that another team had filed a complaint against them? Is it me, or does that not have the stink of an ambush all over it? Who TF operates that way? Where else do you not get the opportunity to defend yourself against a charge, obviously considered extremely serious and egregious????

Yup, there's alot of stink.

The only solution is NFL custody of balls during the game.

This whole issue is stupid and should never have even come to pass.

sb1 · Jan 22, 2015

Add Rob Johnson to the list of current or former NFL QBs who think the rule is stupid and QBs should throw whatever ball makes them comfortable.

vyrago · Jan 22, 2015

vyrago said:
This is probably wishful thinking, but I thought the following expln took care of the matter: after 1/2 time the balls were harder acc to this.
This came from WEEI's blog. Seems to answer the "cheating" questions, at least for Pats fans. For the haters, well, that's a different matter.

"The Patriots used 12 backup footballs for the second half of Sunday’s AFC championship game after issues were found with most of the original 12 balls used by the offense in the first half, an organizational source told WEEI’s Joe Zarbano.

Team spokesman Stacey James confirmed to WEEI.com that the team had 24 footballs available, 12 of which were tested by the officials pregame and another dozen stored inside as backups.

After the officials found that the majority of the balls used in the first half were below the acceptable PSI as mandated by the NFL, the backup balls were brought in. According to the source, the backup balls were tested and found to be at the correct levels, and subsequently put into play — just barely in time, as the second half already had started by the time the testing was completed. This is why the officials stopped play and swapped out the kicking ball on the first play from scrimmage of the second half.

ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported late Tuesday night that 11 of the 12 game balls were underinflated. WEEI.com’s source recalled either 10 or 11 balls being a problem."

Triumph said:
Belichick is going to be suspended for the Super Bowl people.

That's my opinion here. The game will still go on.

That would be a travesty--like the death penalty for going 60 in a 45mph zone, but what it would do is practically guarantee a Pats victory.

Jackson 2 · Jan 22, 2015

The league better have ironclad, solid proof that the team tampered with those footballs if significant discipline is forthcoming.

Triumph · Jan 22, 2015

2000army said:
Where is the link?

Lol what? So the balls used were never marked by the Refs?? And the Refs did not notice this?

I'm calling BS

I said its unconfirmed, but Mort had been pretty dead on so far.

juny · Jan 22, 2015

Jackson 2 said:
Can someone, anyone , tell me why if the Colts complained to the league in November the league didn't inform the Patriots that another team had filed a complaint against them? Is it me, or does that not have the stink of an ambush all over it? Who TF operates that way? Where else do you not get the opportunity to defend yourself against a charge, obviously considered extremely serious and egregious????

Quite possibly this piece of info is made up. Too many unknowns and "sources" being spouted out as truth.

KamikazeKnight · Jan 22, 2015

Triumph said:
Burying your head in the sand will not make it go away.

Youre certainly entitled to live in denial if that's what you want.

You should take a break, pal.

It's one thing if you want to wallow in your misery until next Sunday, but stop trying to bring the whole board down with you as well.

JR4 · Jan 22, 2015

Has anyone seen an official statement by the NFL?
I want to see precise details of their investigation.

Every one seems to think all 11 balls were 2lbs under the specified lower limit.
What if the NFL's statement is something like

"We found 11 ball under specified limit as much a 2.0 lbs."

That would mean not all such balls were 2.0 lbs under.

If this measurement was taking at half time then why couldn't balls be under pressure?
If Vince sat on one of them I would expect that ball to be at last 2.0 lbs under pressure.
And if after 90 minutes in the lower temperature you would expect balls to be lower pressure.

Bottom line without an official NFL statement on this matter the new media is just having fun
bashing the Patriots for something they have no right doing.

shmessy · Jan 22, 2015

spook75 said:
You know what is ironic.. Even if not blatant breaking rules, some would try to argue it is against the spirit of the game, but as many testimonies from other QB's and coaches already has proven it is totally within the spirit of the game!

BEFORE.

Not DURING.

OhExaulted1 · Jan 22, 2015

shmessy said:
Best case tin foil hat scenario I can come up with:

This was an ambush

1) Indy was already obsessed with this since the November game
2) Sport Science on ESPN showed twice, not only cold can change a ball, but so can water - we saw the weather on Sunday night.
3) BOTH the New England AND Indy balls (yes, theirs too) lost Psi during the play of the 1st half.
4) D'Qwell Jackson has no idea about football pressure- - when he brought the ball back to the sideline, the Indy staff jumped to get it
5) NE did not tamper with their footballs
6) INDY did- - reinflating up to protocol

Cue the piano player to play "The Entertainer" by Scot Joplin and you have an ambush sting operation.

To quote Dikembe: YOU ARE ALL WELCOME HA HA.

I know many are going crazy, but the media starts talking suspending BB for the SB and loss of draft picks people are going to get wound up over something so miniscule in the grand scheme of an entire football game.

I watch the games every week and now we have this stench of cheaters being slung around our collective throats over "ball pressure" When was the last time Brady threw an INT and we said, "Well, something obviously was wrong with the ball"? Remeber that time Brady threw a bomb for a TD and we were like "Wow, he really had a great grip on that one!" Yeah, me neither. It's gone from ridiculous to insane.

mgcolby · Jan 22, 2015

Triumph said:
I said its unconfirmed, but Mort had been pretty dead on so far.

Based on what? The league hasn't confirmed anything or denied anything a straight no comment. Everything else is basically based on his initial "unconfirmed" report.

obgod3 · Jan 22, 2015

Triumph said:
I said its unconfirmed, but Mort had been pretty dead on so far.

Yeh but nothing mort said so far has been confirmed officially by the league.

Ivan · Jan 22, 2015

KamikazeKnight said:
You should take a break, pal.

It's one thing if you want to wallow in your misery until next Sunday, but stop trying to bring the whole board down with you as well.

You clearly don't know triumph. This is Christmas for him. He Hates Belichicks guts and has been waiting for years for this opportunity

BelichickFan · Jan 22, 2015

If the information about the NFL knowing ahead of time is true, it certainly was a sting and Goodell blew it again. A simple phone call to Kraft saying "We know what you're doing, we're watching, we'll be testing, don't even think about doing it" would have sufficed.

Suspension or firing for Belichick ? I'm out if that happens.

SHOWTIME15 · Jan 22, 2015

Triumph said:
I said its unconfirmed, but Mort had been pretty dead on so far.

Mort had been the ONLY one so far and the NFL has not confirmed or denied his story

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