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Should QBs get to throw the ball any way they like it?

  • Yes

    Votes: 82 70.1%
  • No the ball should be one way for everybody

    Votes: 35 29.9%

  • Total voters
    117
I think part of the delay may be the NFL trying to make the molehill that turned into a mountain back into a molehill.
 
I've come to the conclusion that I largely don't care, even if it's determined that we intentionally altered the footballs.

We're naive and kidding ourselves if we think the NFL is a clean, morally upstanding league of integrity. It's not. It's a cutthroat, competitive environment where everyone and anyone will do anything and everything to gain an edge. It's the nature of the beast -- success is at a premium and winning is so valued, so ingrained in the culture that folks are naturally going to go to all possibles lengths to have success and win. These actions and thoughts are almost subconscious.

Would I be slightly annoyed if we knowingly circumnavigated a rule? Of course. It's not the smartest decision and it seems a bit petty, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend that no one else is doing it, or that somehow we're particularly bad.

Tomlin interferes on the field of play.
Westhoff interferes on the field of play.
Bisciotti and Harbaugh lie in order to protect a player at the expense of the victim.
Denver circumnavigates the CAP.
Washington continues to sponsor and tout an inherently offensive and racist image/logo.
Carolina heats footballs.
Green Bay over-inflates footballs.
Tampa Bay alters footballs and uses pine tar.
HGH, anabolic steroids, PEDs.

It's happening everywhere. Whatever edge can be gained will be sought. Is Belichick particularly worse than anyone else? No, not at all. He's probably one of the more benign, in fact. Certainly far better than the Ravens' brass.

Does this excuse their hypothetical wrongdoing? No. But it acknowledges that this is the nature of the game, this is competition at the highest level, not a moral haven.

Beyond all that, let's put this in context. This a slight altering of a football. A difference of 1 mm of surface area and weight equivalent to that of a dollar bill. This is a practice that has been going on everywhere, and while the NFL states that quarterbacks and teams may alter balls and doctor them up via 'x, y and z' over the course of a season, they also state that teams may not exceed or go under an arbitrary pressure range. That's utterly ridiculous and flies in the face of logic. You may alter the balls, but only in 'this' way. Huh? That's the NFL, folks.

Quite frankly, in a practical, pragmatic sense, this is so common, so insignificant, and so much in the spirit of the game (gamesmanship at its finest), that I have zero issue with the practice.

Yes, rules are rules, and this doesn't excuse what our Patriots did (on principle), but viewing the situation practically and in context, I don't see how anyone could be outraged, let alone upset. Anything beyond minor annoyance would shock me.

This is all said working under the assumption that they're culpable of intentionally doctoring the balls following their inspection, which has yet to be proven, but I did want to think about the situation in this light to prepare for the worst. After some serious thought, I'll be absolutely fine and cheering hard for our Patriots come Super Bowl time, regardless of the result(s) of the investigation. Hoping for the best, absolutely fine with the 'worst', whatever that may mean.
 
What a nightmare...
 
Damn!

Where is Underdog when you need him?



 
Hey fellow Pats fans:
I seldom post but I need someplace to vent frustration and seek a port of clarity in this ****storm of media madness.
One thing that's been really bothering me, I've read that the actual weight difference between 12.5 psi and 11 psi is about 1/3 to 1/4 of an ounce (weight of a few sheets of paper). I've also read that a football doesn't really get to that "hmmmm, feels like it needs some air" stage until about 7 psi. If this is true, it sounds pretty fishy that either Jackson or the equipment manager just happened to pick up on this "deflation" problem when they handled the intercepting ball.
I know facts are sketchy now and the long wait and tidbits of leaked info are creating wild narratives and I'm taking care to reserve any judgment until all the facts are in.
The thing with the weight of the ball and the story of Jackson picking up on it when he intercepted it really has me suspicious. . . Is it possible the Pats are being set up? I don't mean to sound like some crazy Illuminati conspiracy type but this just seems too weird.
Thoughts?

It's not the "weight" of the ball, it's the feel. Makes it softer.
 
Is it like Spygate, and deserves an increase in fine as a "repeat offender" - maybe $1.5m and TWO first-rounders? Or should they just get a 15-yd penalty on the next kickoff?

You're right, it doesn't matter much what other players or teams have admitted to or been warned about. You get caught, you get punished. I'm okay with that. As long as the punishment fits the finding of the investigation, I'm not gonna freak out. But context does matter, especially when it's all we have to discuss.

To be honest, many here were still holding out hope for exoneration. The discussion of how harsh the punishment will be is disgusting for me to have to think about.
 
I think part of the delay may be the NFL trying to make the molehill that turned into a mountain back into a molehill.

And that would be fine by me (and the rest of us), but how do you suppose they'd attempt to do that?
 
The only thing that can help us is if Goodell just comes out and flat out says it's a league wide thing and that the nfl needs to do a better job at cracking down on it

If he can't admit to the fans of the nfl that everyone does it, the story will remain that the pats cheated.
 
If anything, unless they change the rules to allow preferred balls to make everyone happy, officials pre game inspection should now be required to be recorded to prove they aren't just feeling them, like the ball boy from the Bears in 03 states.

This whole thing is tainting the NFL as much as the Patriots' with all of the guilty parties stepping up in support of the Patriots' who may have been caught red handed.

The NFL would be very wise to simply admit that they need to do a better job of measuring the pressure. No one would really give a damn, and the story would pretty much be forgotten in a matter of a week or two. Who's going to hold resentment for the referees for not scientifically measuring the PSI of the football? No one in my opinion.

Unfortunately, this is unlikely to happen, as they aren't going to admit their possible mistake. If the reports are true, they've already leaked this info out (the fact that they did properly test the balls) anyway, making them immune to any scrutiny.
 
The only thing that can help us is if Goodell just comes out and flat out says it's a league wide thing and that the nfl needs to do a better job at cracking down on it

The NFL would be very wise to simply admit that they need to do a better job of measuring the pressure. No one would really give a damn, and the story would pretty much be forgotten in a matter of a week or two. Who's going to hold resentment for the referees for not scientifically measuring the PSI of the football? No one in my opinion.

Unfortunately, this is unlikely to happen, as they aren't going to admit their possible mistake. If the reports are true, they've already leaked this info out (the fact that they did properly test the balls) anyway, making them immune to any scrutiny.

I can see that we're definitely on the same page here.
 
We're naive and kidding ourselves if we think the NFL is a clean, morally upstanding league of integrity. It's not. It's a cutthroat, competitive environment where everyone and anyone will do anything and everything to gain an edge. It's the nature of the beast -- success is at a premium and winning is so valued, so ingrained in the culture that folks are naturally going to go to all possibles lengths to have success and win. These actions and thoughts are almost subconscious.


Yes, rules are rules, and this doesn't excuse what our Patriots did (on principle), but viewing the situation practically and in context, I don't see how anyone could be outraged, let alone upset. Anything beyond minor annoyance would shock me.

The implication of your first sentence for me was that other teams in the league would go to unethical lengths to defraud the Pats of draft picks, paint them in a bad light, etc.

That second sentence might be the best summation I've read on how people should be feeling. The cream of the crop of the "they're all mad over underinflated footballs!" sentiment.
 
There needs to be a villain:

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You're right, it doesn't matter much what other players or teams have admitted to or been warned about. You get caught, you get punished. I'm okay with that. As long as the punishment fits the finding of the investigation, I'm not gonna freak out. But context does matter, especially when it's all we have to discuss.

But what about the malicious prosecution aspect to all this?
 
I'm telling ya, it's a quality control issue!

Bust the NFL Referees Union!
 
The implication of your first sentence for me was that other teams in the league would go to unethical lengths to defraud the Pats of draft picks, paint them in a bad light, etc.

That second sentence might be the best summation I've read on how people should be feeling. The cream of the crop of the "they're all mad over underinflated footballs!" sentiment.

I was referring to preparation and playing of the game via my first sentence, however I certainly understand the implication that was inferred. And quite frankly, it's probably true. Unfortunate? Perhaps. But it would be in line with what I (and many others) have described, which is essentially that teams will pursue all avenues of success, even if that's directly at the expense of other clubs.
 
I actually think it's less of a black eye to the league if they say the had poor controls in place because psi isn't deemed to affect the competitive balance of games and will re look at the process in the off season vs having a convicted cheater hoist the Lombardi.
This is what competent leadership would do. Unfortunately the NFL doesn't have that.
 
If the reports from Mortenson via the league source that they are "disappointed, angry and distraught" are true, it probably doesn't have much to do with the referees.

I'm losing hope by the minute here. According to Mortenson, the league has already confirmed the fact that they properly tested the balls before the game, and that they know they were fine 2 hrs earlier.

Add in some whiny Colts from earlier in the month of November, and we're heading towards a bad direction in my opinion. In other words, the NFL had already supposedly known about this and had already planned to test the balls at the half. It doesn't seem like they found anything good.
 
But what about the malicious prosecution aspect to all this?
What about it? The league hasn't actually said anything yet. It's a disgusting display that they've now allowed 3 full days before any official comment on the whole thing, and it now appears BB will speak before the NFL itself, which will likely set the scene to full atomic whether he says anything or (more likely) nothing at all. What other teams have done doesn't matter, just as it didn't in 2007, in terms of the punishment. The Pats are the Lightning rod and as much as I believe other teams or QBs may not like the situation the Colts complaint has put NE in, they're probably not going to fall in their own sword either. I wish they would, it would be what's best for the league in the sense of exposing the hypocrisy of their discipline.

If you mean media prosecution I think that's a disgusting joke too. All we're left to do is speculate on hypotheticals so that's what I'm doing too because I don't know what else to do.

I still consider it just as likely the NFL announces a minimal penalty and promises to keep better track of the balls. It's just a mind**** not knowing.
 
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