Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

SVN said:

This was curran's theory.

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That article is really illuminating. This is exactly what has been going on and I'm sure just what happened before the AFCCG

Two hours before kickoff, he would bring the balls to the referees' locker room for inspection.

"I recall them having a pressure gauge in the locker room, but most often they just squeezed the balls, turned them over in their hands a few times each, and inspected the laces. I don't recall them ever rejecting one of our balls," he said.

"My thought process was, 'Let's get the balls exactly the way our quarterback wants them, and if the refs reject one or two before the game, no big deal. But there's no harm giving them our ideal balls and hoping they make it through inspection.'"

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ATippett56 said:

Mr Whipple did the inspection:

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While this may be true (Curran's theory that the refs simply examined them, without checking pressure) the NFL is unlikely to admit their mistake in my opinion.

To take it one step further, there have also been reports that have stated that the refs did indeed, check the balls first. If those reports are true, this becomes even more bizarre.

I have to imagine Kraft is on the phone going nuts right now behind the scenes.

KDPPatsfan85 said:

Interesting...

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/deflate-gate-nfl-ball-boys-perspective-n290801

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This is what Zolak was saying on the Bob Socci show earlier. He was in charge of doctoring balls for Dan Marino and Bledseo, said the officials many times before a game would just pick up the balls squeeze them a bit turn and be done.

This is probably exactly how it went down..

"My thought process was, 'Let's get the balls exactly the way our quarterback wants them, and if the refs reject one or two before the game, no big deal. But there's no harm giving them our ideal balls and hoping they make it through inspection.'"[QUOTE/]

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supafly said:

While this may be true (Curran's theory that the refs simply examined them, without checking pressure) the NFL is unlikely to admit their mistake in my opinion.

To take it one step further, there have also been reports that have stated that the refs did indeed, check the balls first. If those reports are true, this becomes even more bizarre.

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If anything, unless they change the rules to allow preferred balls to make everyone happy, officials pre game inspection should now be required to be recorded to prove they aren't just feeling them, like the ball boy from the Bears in 03 states.

This whole thing is tainting the NFL as much as the Patriots' with all of the guilty parties stepping up in support of the Patriots' who may have been caught red handed.

supafly said:

You lost me a bit when you compared the example that I gave with a previous "vandalism" charge. I do not think that too many people view the Pats 2007 drama as anything comparable with vandalism.

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I was just randomly choosing a crime that was of a different variety. If Spygate was a field operations "crime" of which the Pats were convicted, it doesn't seem out of line to me to suggest that this ball inflating thing is a total different type of rule violation (DUI v. Vandalism...don't overthink my simile as a comment on the seriousness of those actual, real-life crimes).

I can see how it's the easiest, least-common-denominator narrative to equate all rule violations as equal, slap "repeat offender" on the Pats, and punish thusly. I'm just not sure how to apply that in this context, because even if they are absolutely guilty of everything anyone wants to accuse them of, I'm not sure which classification of penalty it falls into. Is it like Spygate, and deserves an increase in fine as a "repeat offender" - maybe $1.5m and TWO first-rounders? Or should they just get a 15-yd penalty on the next kickoff?

You're right, it doesn't matter much what other players or teams have admitted to or been warned about. You get caught, you get punished. I'm okay with that. As long as the punishment fits the finding of the investigation, I'm not gonna freak out. But context does matter, especially when it's all we have to discuss.

supafly said:

A new report from Jay Glazer has surfaced that states that the Ravens warned the Colts after last week's game. I'm sure you can find it.

It will be interesting to see if Glazer's story is true or not, but he is constantly bragging that he's never gotten a story wrong due to the decision to hold back until he receives confirmation from 3 separate sources that are not connected in any way.

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honestly it would not surprise me if it was something that we did regularly because Brady just prefers a slightly worn out ball and we just got unlucky because teams caught on and it is a very poor optic

robbomango said:

I have to imagine Kraft is on the phone going nuts right now behind the scenes.


This is what Zolak was saying on the Bob Socci show earlier. He was in charge of doctoring balls for Dan Marino and Bledseo, said the officials many times before a game would just pick up the balls squeeze them a bit turn and be done.

This is probably exactly how it went down..

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Right. There is no need for some nefarious secret deflation plot when you know the refs are just going to give them a cursory inspection. I'm sure some refs are more analyst than others but the majority just check it off their list and are done with it.

tombonneau said:

That article is really illuminating. This is exactly what has been going on and I'm sure just what happened before the AFCCG

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The NFL won't admit it as it would be bad for their refs reputations. Easier to make someone else the scapegoat.

moejr said:

The NFL won't admit it as it would be bad for their refs reputations. Easier to make someone else the scapegoat.

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And welcome to the New England Patriots

moejr said:

The NFL won't admit it as it would be bad for their refs reputations. Easier to make someone else the scapegoat.

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See what I'm most interested in, is if that's true and the league is covering for the refs, does Kraft expose them like he should?

That's why I can't see this going too far, seems like it was the refs at fault as well. If that's covered up, then subsequently exposed, it's exponentially the most damming thing the league has been involved in.

At this point, it's best for the league to say it was the weather and move on.

When NFL Rule says that the pressure inside the ball should be within this range, at what temperature should the ball pressure be measured? Pressure is directly proportional to the temperature. Possibly, the ball pressure was taken at a higher temperature, and when it was exposed to the cold outside, the pressure dropped. There is a loophole here.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news_op...older_temperature_could_explain_pressure_drop

Never fear, Robert Mueller (NFL's biased independent investigator) is here.

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moejr said:

The NFL won't admit it as it would be bad for their refs reputations. Easier to make someone else the scapegoat.

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The NFL is looking for a ball boy named Lee Harvey Oswald Jr:

"I'm just a patsy!"

Now where is Jack Ruby Jr when you need him.

So guys do you think Seattle is gonna play their straight Cover 3 or what.

supafly said:

A new report from Jay Glazer has surfaced that states that the Ravens warned the Colts after last week's game. I'm sure you can find it.

It will be interesting to see if Glazer's story is true or not, but he is constantly bragging that he's never gotten a story wrong due to the decision to hold back until he receives confirmation from 3 separate sources that are not connected in any way.

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Hmmmm, interesting. SO maybe I'm not a crazy conspiracy guy after all.
I'd also like to state that burning Jet fuel does not melt steel and a simple office fire would not cause WTC7 to collapse into it's own footprint (ok, I'm pushing my luck now).

moejr said:

The NFL won't admit it as it would be bad for their refs reputations. Easier to make someone else the scapegoat.

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I don't think Kraft allows that to happen this time, JMHO

cmasspatsfan said:

I don't think Kraft allows that to happen this time, JMHO

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I hope you're right.

moejr said:

The NFL won't admit it as it would be bad for their refs reputations. Easier to make someone else the scapegoat.

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I actually think it's less of a black eye to the league if they say the had poor controls in place because psi isn't deemed to affect the competitive balance of games and will re look at the process in the off season vs having a convicted cheater hoist the Lombardi.

YOUGOTMOSSED said:

Hmmmm, interesting. SO maybe I'm not a crazy conspiracy guy after all.
I'd also like to state that burning Jet fuel does not melt steel and a simple office fire would not cause WTC7 to collapse into it's own footprint (ok, I'm pushing my luck now).

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Whoever deflated them balls has probably disappeared by now.

That's how conspiracy works.

Them boys on the grassy knoll, they were dead within three hours. Buried in the damn desert. Unmarked graves out past Terlingua.