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Shocked to read Jackie MacMullen already convicting BB and calling for a suspension, essentially.

I'm not. MacMullen is a complete tool when writing about the Patriots. While she writes the occasional good article, the anti-BBness instilled in her from her Globe background clings to her like a stench and never fails to resurface.
 
Knowingly submitting those balls under-inflated, is still against league rules though. So if he knew the team does this, laughing it off does him no justice.



I would love to agree, but the whole media circus and repeat offender thing will give the league no choice but to make an example.

Considering the fact that people are proposing that the league disqualify the Pats from the Super Bowl and ban Belichick anywhere from a year to life; a 2nd round pick really is child's play.
I don't know that it is against the rules. That one rule everyone cites says it's at ref's discretion but doesn't mandate what is submitted or penalize them. They could submit Aussie Rules Footballs and it's up to the ref to deny them.
 
If there is no video proof of anybody deflating the balls, there should be zero penalty.

I'm sure it won't go down that way, but that's the way it should be.

Goodell is so under pressure to look like a tough guy, he'll overreact.

I suspect a mid round draft pick at minimum.
 
Anyone who feels that this incident "taints" the NFL or the Pats or the sanctity of the game is straight up delusional with what football is about and has been about. That "legacy" (the "good old days" that people like to conjure up whenever new rules are implemented to take big hits out of the game) were the same "good old days" where cheating and gamesmanship were the name of the game.

The Raiders, as much as we might roll our eyes at their Tuck Rule silliness, are undoubtedly a critical part of NFL history and lore. They also used to have a sign in their locker room which said "Rule #1 - Cheating is encouraged. Rule #2 - See Rule #1". Fred Biletnikoff was notorious for using so much stick'um on his hands that teammates would refuse to hi-five or shake his hand in-game or post-game.

How about the 49ers? We remember "The Catch" and Montana's heroics. Do we really remember (or care about) their salary cap shenanigans? Or that they were infamous for illegal leg whips?

Or the Giants and Bill Parcells who used all sorts of "home cooking" to gain an edge - including having someone open up the door at the windy end of the stadium when the opposing team was attempting a FG.

Or the Cowboys. You know the team whose head coach (Jimmy Johnson) would rummage through his opponents trash to try to find any notes or hints of a gameplan.

Or all of the players in the 70's and 80's who used pine tar, stick'um, soaked their jerseys in non-stick cooking spray, taped metal rods into their wrist guards (to stun opposing linemen), created fake casts made out of concrete-type substances and - yes - used deflated balls.

Where is this idea that football is a noble game where no corners are ever cut, no edges ever sought come from? Football, like every sport, is full of ultra-competitive people. You don't make it to the highest level without trying everything you can to one-up your opponent. From stealing signs, to doctoring balls, altering fields, piping in noise, turning the heat up in a domed stadium, having radio communication mysteriously go out, doctoring your jersey, taking drugs (steroids, greenies, Adderall, HGH whatever), twisting guys' ankles or knees in pileups, etc - it's a part of the game.

People want to stop following the Patriots because some balls were deflated? Are you under the impression that the Patriots, and evil ol' Bill Belichick, are the only team which are doctoring balls? That other teams aren't doing similar things? Even after Brad Johnson says he paid some guys to doctor balls? After all the myriad reports of QB's and (some) coaches dismissing this as a pretty normal part of the game? When has there ever been an era of football without cheating? You think the Patriots of the early 2000's weren't using performance boosting drugs or trying "home cooking" on their field/stadium? You think there weren't guys jacked on 'roids just because they weren't caught? Are you under the impression that the 70's, 80's, 90's - hell ANY classic moment in ANY classic football game didn't involve guys and teams which were cheating somehow?

The only reason this is worth any discussion is because Roger Goodell is an ego-manaical power-hungry wannabe dictator who applies rules and punishment with no semblance of consistency or logic. He does whatever he thinks will satisfy the masses and if that fails, he will hire some former athletes and their wives to sigh, in a very forlorn manner, at a camera #NoMore. Were it not for Goodell being a reckless and incompetent buffoon who very well might suspend Belichick for the Super Bowl, this entire thing would be (and should be) viewed as a hilarious waste of time by anyone with a semblance of understanding as the game's history and the nature of football (and any professional sport).

I want to frame this post up on a wall and have all my Pats hating friends/enemies read it.
 
Spot on mcmurtry86.

What happened to running, blocking and tackling? Now the biggest issues are things like ball pressure, camera placement, choice of footwear, post game handshakes and media availablity?

Maybe we should just change the name "football" and swap it out for "synchronized swimming".

WTF is happening to our sport? It went from a "man's game" to an international embarressment. SMFH. Seriously.


unfortunately for all of us Pats fans, the commish and the execs in NFL are tired of seeing the Patriots being so successful in the past 14 years to the point of doing BS like this.


its inexcusable
 
If Lande is the only guy claiming the Pats are losing a second round pick, then let's wait to hear it from somebody else. The NFL experience is there, but I know I'm not the only person who questions the mental capacities that the guy has left.
What I'm afraid of is whether or not it's not true and ends up being even worse. That's why I'm so torn on how I feel if his report is true. Yes, losing a 2nd is too harsh of a punishment but for all we know it could be much, much worse.
 
She's not a big Belichick fan. I remember in 06 when she ranted against him for pushing a camera guy (her friend) out of the way after the post season Jets game. So meh to her opinion.
I can't wait to see hear what the mediots calling for BB's head have to say if the Pats are in the clear! **** will be priceless!
 
I want to frame this post up on a wall and have all my Pats hating friends/enemies read it.

Why? Much eeasier to take a Selfie of your middle finger and put that up, especially if you have a photo of Belichick holding the Lombardi next to it. Or you could Photoshop your finger onto,that pic.
 
I can't wait to see hear what the mediots calling for BB's head have to say if the Pats are in the clear! **** will be priceless!

Expect them to either go full conspiratorial and repeat their allegations for years to come, or change their tune and deny that they ever called for Bill's head.
 
Beat the living **** out of your wife: Slap on the wrist

Try to injure someone: Just pay a fine and you can play next game.

Deflate the balls which have no effect on the game: Severe punishment.

Welcome to the new NFL.

Because "safety"!
 
Hey folks. It's been a while. And I can't believe this is what I'm talking about the first time I've been on here in years.

A lot has changed in my life since I was last here. For one thing I'm divorced, living on my own and have had three different jobs in the last 13 months. As I've gotten older I've found that football just doesn't mean as much to me as it used to, hence why I haven't been on here much. I still watch it, but these days it feels like more of an obligation than anything else. But enough about me. I'm here because I have to talk about this insanity and this is about the only place I feel like I'm not going to get a burning cross on my front lawn after I speak my mind.

The lynch-mob mentality that has erupted in the last 72 hours is just unbelievable. It is beyond unbelievable. It is utter insanity.

Sure, I'm a homer, if a guy who has lived his entire life in Wisconsin can be considered a New England homer. (Though the "entire life" bit is hopefully going to change in the next year or two.) Call me an apologist if you want. But this whole thing has gotten way, way out of hand. Even if - if - the Pats let a pound of air out of the balls, how does that change the outcome of the game? We are not talking about Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan here. What the hell is wrong with people these days?!

So then they say, "Well but the Pats were caught cheating before." Oh great, now I gotta have this argument again. What did they get caught doing? Hiring Anonymous to hack into other teams' computer networks? Slipping Unisom into other teams' Gatorade jugs? For Christ's sake, the NFL rules are you can observe and write down the other team's defensive signals until the cows come home, you just can't videotape them. Okay, they broke that rule, even after they were told to stop. Okay, fine. But how is using a video camera to record something you're free to write down tantamount to "cheating?" Like I said back in 2007, that's like saying a guy who takes his buddy out to lunch and puts it on the company's expense account is on the same level as the top guys at Enron. Can you say "mountain out of a molehill?" W...T...F?!?!?!

And now people are saying the team should actually be forced to relinquish the AFC Championship because of this nonsense? Are you kidding me?! Are you f***ing kidding me?!?! Well why stop there? Let's nuke Russia the next time Putin says something ****y! And North Korea! And New Zealand for good measure! Jesus H. Christ people!!! The advantage gained from letting a pound of air out of the ball does not give you that much of an edge. You could give the Tampa Bay Buccaneers under inflated balls all season, it's not going to turn them from 2-14 to 14-2. This is not challenging a guy to a knife fight and pulling a gun on him. You do NOT average 12 wins a season and make it to six Super Bowls in 15 seasons by videotaping defensive signals and having a pound less of air in the balls.

Or let's take a look at the New Orleans Saints and the "Bountygate" scandal. Here were guys doing very bad stuff. They could've ended peoples' careers. They could've caused people to have permanent serious injuries. We're talking messing up peoples' lives. And they got punished for it, as well they should have. And yet when the hammer came down, Saints fans were quoted as saying, "Gee I can't understand why we got hit so hard when the Patriots got a slap on the wrist." So those videotapes we talked about earlier, videotapes of "secret" defensive signals displayed in front of 60,ooo people, those tapes were worse than offering players thousands of dollars to injure an opposing player so badly he has to leave the game?! I don't see anyone calling for their Lombardi trophy to be taken away.

So Belichick is a smug, arrogant jacka**. So what?! Does that mean that a guy who has been a disciple of football since he was old enough to walk, who has forgotten more about the game than 99% of us will ever know is only a good coach because of some videotapes and under inflated balls?! Just because a guy's a jerk, does that mean his accomplishments don't count?! My cousin once saw Michael Jordan in the stands at a basketball game and Jordan wouldn't give him an autograph, does that mean Jordan's six NBA titles don't count?! And what has Belichick done that's so bloody evil in the first place? Yeah, he doesn't play the media's game because the media in Cleveland raked him over the coals every chance they got. He's not going to do like half the other coaches in sports and whine and complain and blame everyone but himself when he loses. He doesn't slam other people every time someone sticks a microphone in his face. He lets his team's performance on the field do the talking. And for that this guy's on the level of Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer?! Christ! Paul Brown is revered as one of the most brilliant football coaches who ever lived. You know what? The man was a jerk who held grudges for decades and screwed people over like J.R. Ewing on a bender. If Paul Brown had his way, Bill Walsh would never have been able to create the 49ers dynasty of the 1980s. Should we shut down the Cleveland Browns and Cincinnati Bengals because of it? Should we take his name off Paul Brown Stadium? If you're going to throw out every head coach who's a jerk, the Jaguars are going to win the Super Bowl every damn year because there's going to be NO ONE LEFT.

I didn't like Belichick at first either. Why? Because he left the Pats and went with Parcells to New York. I thought he was a clone of Parcells and I didn't want him anywhere near Foxboro. If I weren't a Pats fan I'd probably hate him too. But I wouldn't want his head on a pike like these people do. This is insane!

Finally, if you honestly think that Belichick and/or the Patriots are the only people involved in organized athletics that bend or break the rules, it is time that you wake up and smell f***ing reality. Current and former NFL players are coming out of the woodwork to say they've messed around with balls before games too. How many times have you heard about one team signing a guy who got cut by another team for the sole purpose of having that guy tell them what his former team was doing in practice? Christ, I've seen high school coaches find loopholes in rules to recruit kids from other schools onto their school's sports team. We're not talking about putting land mines in your opponent's practice field, people.

My God, I don't know what this world is coming to. There are people out there who didn't blink an eye when news broke of religious fanatics slaughtering a dozen magazine writers in France, yet who are completely and utterly outraged over a dozen under inflated footballs. I give up. I'm done.
 
I don't know that it is against the rules. That one rule everyone cites says it's at ref's discretion but doesn't mandate what is submitted or penalize them. They could submit Aussie Rules Footballs and it's up to the ref to deny them.

Well the report out now says the Pats submitted balls that were properly inflated and were checked out and okayed by the refs.

Somewhere between that moment and halftime, 11 of 12 balls mysteriously had their PSI drop. That's the controversy now and it's understandable if that's the case.
 
This might be one big social experiment on how the media can control the message, and perceptions? (Sarcasm)
 
If Lande is the only guy claiming the Pats are losing a second round pick, then let's wait to hear it from somebody else. The NFL experience is there, but I know I'm not the only person who questions the mental capacities that the guy has left.


Would have been a great pick but wasn't that the Jones/Hightower draft?
 
At least we won't have to hear "Patriots ZERO Super Bowl wins since DeflateGate" if they win this week, like we have had to hear with the Crygate BS for years. We conveniently get to play in a SB two weeks after this "gate" has occurred.
 
Key question: since we've established the possibility that other Teams had already alerted the NFL about this matter, did the NFL, in turn, warn the Patriots against such conduct? If so, you could understand why NFL leadership would be pretty mad.

As some of us have mentioned, this whole scenario makes no sense because the NFL would have watched the equipment manager or whoever alter the balls. There would be no need whatsoever to check the air pressure. The 11 balls would be totally irrelevant. The NFL would have been on the lookout for tampering.
 


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