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Knowingly submitting those balls under-inflated, is still against league rules though. So if he knew the team does this, laughing it off does him no justice.



I would love to agree, but the whole media circus and repeat offender thing will give the league no choice but to make an example.

Considering the fact that people are proposing the league to disqualify the Pats from the Super Bowl and ban Belichick anywhere from a year to life; a 2nd round pick really is child's play.

Because our great commissioner has no balls. Pun intended.
 
Knowingly submitting those balls under-inflated, is still against league rules though. So if he knew the team does this, laughing it off does him no justice.


Knowingly submitting balls that are over inflated would also be against the rules as well, correct?

Aaron Rodgers admits to doing this. So if the Pats are punished, then the Packers should be as well.
 
Well Brady laughed off them deflating footballs, which again leads toward the popular theory they simply submit under inflated balls. If that is the case, he was right to laugh it off.

Or he and Belichick were lying. They must have known something was up at halftime of the game, one would think with all the reports coming out today.
 
I'm not saying we won't get a harsh punishment. I'm not saying we'll simply get out of this without any consequence. I'm just saying you seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions on this, mostly because "Jay Glazer told you so."

Understanding that this wasn't directed at me, and that you have a fine point about accepting truth when all we have is rumors, but the Jay Glazer example isn't your best choice.

Out of any of the mediots, Glazer at least sticks to his "3 separate sources" rule, which has never once given him a problem or an incorrect break on a story. Even though I think he's a douche, I do respect the fact that he attempts to wait until he has a confirmation from 3 separate sources, which is more than most.
 
Understanding that this wasn't directed at me, and that you have a fine point about accepting truth when all we have is rumors, but the Jay Glazer example isn't your best choice.

Out of any of the mediots, Glazer at least sticks to his "3 separate sources" rule, which has never once given him a problem or an incorrect break on a story. Even though I think he's a douche, I do respect the fact that he attempts to wait until he has a confirmation from 3 separate sources, which is more than most.
It wasn't necessarily about Glazer. Glazer just happened to be the one he was referring to at that moment.
 
Knowingly submitting those balls under-inflated, is still against league rules though. So if he knew the team does this, laughing it off does him no justice.



I would love to agree, but the whole media circus and repeat offender thing will give the league no choice but to make an example.

Considering the fact that people are proposing that the league disqualify the Pats from the Super Bowl and ban Belichick anywhere from a year to life; a 2nd round pick really is child's play.
Punishment is not based on a percentage of what idiots suggest.
 
I'm just hoping this is put to rest tomorrow. Getting really tired of refreshing this thread, tracking Twitter, and monitoring Sirius NFL only to hear nothing but opinions and hearsay
 
Knowingly submitting those balls under-inflated, is still against league rules though. So if he knew the team does this, laughing it off does him no justice.

Except that, according to various reports, there's no penalty for submitting an out-of-spec ball; the refs are just supposed to fix it.
 
Knowingly submitting balls that are over inflated would also be against the rules as well, correct?

Aaron Rodgers admits to doing this. So if the Pats are punished, then the Packers should be as well.

No disagreement at all from me there. But do you honestly think that's going to happen?

I say no chance. The league will pin this all on the Pats and negligibly forget the Rodgers situation and the whole Vikings/Panthers thing. Oh and remember when Brad Johnson admitted to paying off a ball boy during the Bucs Super Bowl win? Yeah, the media has forgotten all about that as well...
 
Anyone who feels that this incident "taints" the NFL or the Pats or the sanctity of the game is straight up delusional with what football is about and has been about. That "legacy" (the "good old days" that people like to conjure up whenever new rules are implemented to take big hits out of the game) were the same "good old days" where cheating and gamesmanship were the name of the game.

The Raiders, as much as we might roll our eyes at their Tuck Rule silliness, are undoubtedly a critical part of NFL history and lore. They also used to have a sign in their locker room which said "Rule #1 - Cheating is encouraged. Rule #2 - See Rule #1". Fred Biletnikoff was notorious for using so much stick'um on his hands that teammates would refuse to hi-five or shake his hand in-game or post-game.

How about the 49ers? We remember "The Catch" and Montana's heroics. Do we really remember (or care about) their salary cap shenanigans? Or that they were infamous for illegal leg whips?

Or the Giants and Bill Parcells who used all sorts of "home cooking" to gain an edge - including having someone open up the door at the windy end of the stadium when the opposing team was attempting a FG.

Or the Cowboys. You know the team whose head coach (Jimmy Johnson) would rummage through his opponents trash to try to find any notes or hints of a gameplan.

Or all of the players in the 70's and 80's who used pine tar, stick'um, soaked their jerseys in non-stick cooking spray, taped metal rods into their wrist guards (to stun opposing linemen), created fake casts made out of concrete-type substances and - yes - used deflated balls.

Where is this idea that football is a noble game where no corners are ever cut, no edges ever sought come from? Football, like every sport, is full of ultra-competitive people. You don't make it to the highest level without trying everything you can to one-up your opponent. From stealing signs, to doctoring balls, altering fields, piping in noise, turning the heat up in a domed stadium, having radio communication mysteriously go out, doctoring your jersey, taking drugs (steroids, greenies, Adderall, HGH whatever), twisting guys' ankles or knees in pileups, etc - it's a part of the game.

People want to stop following the Patriots because some balls were deflated? Are you under the impression that the Patriots, and evil ol' Bill Belichick, are the only team which are doctoring balls? That other teams aren't doing similar things? Even after Brad Johnson says he paid some guys to doctor balls? After all the myriad reports of QB's and (some) coaches dismissing this as a pretty normal part of the game? When has there ever been an era of football without cheating? You think the Patriots of the early 2000's weren't using performance boosting drugs or trying "home cooking" on their field/stadium? You think there weren't guys jacked on 'roids just because they weren't caught? Are you under the impression that the 70's, 80's, 90's - hell ANY classic moment in ANY classic football game didn't involve guys and teams which were cheating somehow?

The only reason this is worth any discussion is because Roger Goodell is an ego-manaical power-hungry wannabe dictator who applies rules and punishment with no semblance of consistency or logic. He does whatever he thinks will satisfy the masses and if that fails, he will hire some former athletes and their wives to sigh, in a very forlorn manner, at a camera #NoMore. Were it not for Goodell being a reckless and incompetent buffoon who very well might suspend Belichick for the Super Bowl, this entire thing would be (and should be) viewed as a hilarious waste of time by anyone with a semblance of understanding as the game's history and the nature of football (and any professional sport).
 
Sadly this is how I feel. No doubt I'd rather have lost Sunday then had this controversy blow up. I feel as though 14 years of fond memories have been ruined and stomped on in the past day.

I understand--even though most will disagree. While making up these hypothetical situations in our heads isn't going to do any good, I would have traded a lot of stuff to have avoided this scenario again.
 
Or he and Belichick were lying. They must have known something was up at halftime of the game, one would think with all the reports coming out today.
Why would they know sonething was up at halftime? The refs take the balls in at halftime bb and tfb would have no way of knowing what the regs were doing in there lockerroom
 
It wasn't necessarily about Glazer. Glazer just happened to be the one he was referring to at that moment.

I can't stand him personally, but I do respect that he seems to have a higher standard before just spewing out ******** with the separate sources thing.

To be honest, I think most of them are idiots.
 
No disagreement at all from me there. But do you honestly think that's going to happen?

I say no chance. The league will pin this all on the Pats and negligibly forget the Rodgers situation and the whole Vikings/Panthers thing. Oh and remember when Brad Johnson admitted to paying off a ball boy during the Bucs Super Bowl win? Yeah, the media has forgotten all about that as well...

Just like last time.

They knew damn well that lots of teams taped signals or taped from unauthorized locations, but they chose to use the Pats as an example.
 
Losing a second round pick would be fantastic.

Think of all the complaining about how we wasted it on some Rutgers player that we would be saved from.

The commish would be doing us a favor.
 
Punishment is not based on a percentage of what idiots suggest.

Agreed, but that's not what will happen. The media will dictate the punishment, just like it did in the Ray Rice case, although admittedly, more punishment was warranted there.

Except that, according to various reports, there's no penalty for submitting an out-of-spec ball; the refs are just supposed to fix it.

Except it's been reported the Pats submitted balls that were up to code and somewhere along the lines, between the time the balls were submitted and halftime of the game, 11 out of 12 balls mysteriously had their PSI dropped.

That's the whole controversy here...
 
A second round pick insures it all stays for a very long time. It does the opposite of making it go away.


Just like Spygate and the 1st round pick and $500,000 from BB. The haters bring up, "well if it didn't give the Patriots an advantage, why did the League take the first round pick and give the largest fine in NFL history to a head coach?"
 


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