Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

supafly said:

Okay, fair enough--they "examined" the footballs thoroughly and checked the air pressure, although I have seen reports where they claim that they weigh a certain amount in ounces if they are between 12.5 and 13.5 of pressure, so I'm not seeing the relevance of your concern.

One should assume that they likely did an all around examination, so you really don't know what that consists of any more than I do. Either way, I really don't know what difference it makes to choose such an innocuous (possible) error and choose to point that out?

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I think it would be impossible to weigh these balls because of the rain.

I'm sure Kraft wishes they had weighed them. The water soaked leather would have taken them over the hump.

AND, I wonder if people who did these inside/outside weather tests on balls doused them in 45 degree water before measuring them.

I feel exactly the same way, I'm over here deep in Seahawks territory and can't get away from it.

SoxPatsFaninIndy said:

This is so ridiculous. It's about air pressure in a football. You know what? F*** everyone else.

This team is about to play in the Super Bowl. I can't wait for them to come out in full FU mode and beat the sh*t out of Seattle.

Everyone else can b*tch and moan about cameras, PSI and asterisks. F*ck them. Let's just get another Super Bowl.

Sorry, I live in Indy and have been bombarded with this today.

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Wrath Mania said:

The only thing I can say to this is, once you squeeze the toothpaste out of the tube, you can't get it back it in.

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I prefer "you can't unring a bell," but yours is good too.

SunsOutGunsOut said:

Man.. This thread is going full ******.. You never go full ******..

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blackglass3 said:

You guys feel that? It's the calm before the storm...like the few days before Hernandez was arrested when nothing happened. Lull them into a false sense of security, then pounce.

If things go down with anything above a draft pick loss, I was the nuclear option enforced.

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I don't think the Hernandez situation is particularly analogous; it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that Hernandez was going to be arrested as soon as the weapons were pulled out of his safe.

sevengables_2207 said:

Indeed.

It is just too bad that this has mushroomed to the Godzilla of a controversy it is right now, when ordinarily we would all be discussing X's and O's and other regular SB topics.

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That's one of the most disappointing aspects. The fact that we should be discussing individual matchups, injuries, etc.

Hell, while no other team's fanbase are going to feel sorry for us, we've waited awhile for this opportunity just the same, and going through this absolutely sucks. I'm not going to lie--the way I feel right now I think I may have rather seen a loss Sunday if it meant avoiding all of this (understanding that it wouldn't have mattered). Going through this sucks ass on a big-time level, especially for a second time.

SunsOutGunsOut said:

Man.. This thread is going full ******.. You never go full ******..

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This X 1000

I don't know whether they did it or didn't do it, but this thread is entertaining as hell.
Thank you!

Wrath Mania said:

I have seen almost no one who says Belichick deserves absolute punishment, Joey. You may not get this, Joey, but there is a difference between what you want to happen and what is probably going to happen. No matter how big of a fan you are, that can't change what is probably going to happen. Kapisco?

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And what is your speculation helping?? All I've been seeing you look at is a s*** ton of speculation and not enough of the facts in this deal. Not saying I'm looking hard into facts, it's just I've never even seen you post before this whole debacle unfolding. How about waiting until official reports that actually put two and two together before making your conclusions rather than running around stating that BB will get suspended and the SB will get thrown and all that??

I'm not saying we won't get a harsh punishment. I'm not saying we'll simply get out of this without any consequence. I'm just saying you seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions on this, mostly because "Jay Glazer told you so."

Well, if anything there's going to be one interesting media conversation with Belichick tomorrow....

At least you guys don't live in NYC. What I have to deal with. It's like I personally committed all the Patriots' crimes. I'm seriously considering heading back to Boston for the Super Bowl (I grew up there). Was considering making the trip to my first Super Bowl, but just don't think I have it in me anymore.

It's not as easy as it sounds,
plus rules about the ball boys:

The referee "shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications" and the balls "remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game," according to Rule 2, Section 1.

A person with intimate knowledge of the process told USA TODAY Sports the ball attendant is a uniformed official – generally the same person each week at a given stadium – who comes to the locker room to pick up the balls and takes them to the officials' locker room for testing.

The ball attendant delivers the balls to the ball boys – usually four provided by the home team and two traveling with the visiting team – who make sure their quarterback's preferred balls get into the game, said the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak publicly.

At halftime, the balls return to the officials' locker room, the person said. So, if proper protocol is followed, the only opportunity to manipulate the balls is minutes before kickoff or during the game on the sideline, where there's a risk of anyone in the stadium and dozens of TV cameras seeing it.

Asked how long it takes to change and measure the pressure of a football, the person said, "Ten seconds. But if they were all exactly 2 pounds under? It would be almost impossible to get them exactly all the same weight or the same psi.

"That, or you'd have to be really good at knowing exactly where to pull the needle. And then what if you take too much out? How are you going to pump it back up on the field? You can't. You need a ball pump to do it. That's what's even more weird about it. Too many moving parts."


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...tballs-may-not-as-easy-as-it-sounds/22113343/

I do hope BB writes a book one day and tells everyone his story about Spygate, Deflategate, his relationship with the Jets, and Goodell, and basically blast all the ****twigs that ever caused these events to spiral out of control.

blackglass3 said:

You guys feel that? It's the calm before the storm...like the few days before Hernandez was arrested when nothing happened. Lull them into a false sense of security, then pounce.

If things go down with anything above a draft pick loss, I was the nuclear option enforced.

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Swear to God if I see a thread that says "EXPLOSIVE NEW DEFLATE-GATE DETAILS" just like what happened during the whole AH deal, I am done with this.

Todd Bradley said:

Well, if anything there's going to be one interesting media conversation with Belichick tomorrow....

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"Talk to the NFL."

"Talk to the NFL."

"Wilson is one helluva quarterback."

"Talk to the NFL."

"Talk to the NFL."

"I'm proud of our young guys."

"Talk to the NFL."

"Talk to the NFL."

tombonneau said:

I actually thought of a brilliant gambit Kraft can pull. Have pats admit to guilt (assuming no definitive proof) on contingency that league recognizes the limits are arbitrary and meaningless and give no advantage.

New rule is put in books to change limit from like 10 to 16 or whatever which gives teams more control.

Then Pats are guilty of violating a silly rule and are punished accordingly but league recognizes there was no serious competitive advantage.

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I see your point, but it sounds a bit like spy gate where Goodell actually came right out and said that it gave the team "no competitive advantage," yet not one person heard anything like that. They all just heard the guilty parts, which is what my personal concern is this time as well.

Patriots1364life said:

Almost getting to 200 on a thread about deflation lol.I would like to put my anger towards someone but I cant.Its not about football anymore.I just cant believe bb put the pats fans through this bs again.

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Are you gonna keep repeating the same thing on every page in this thread? Jesus give it a rest.

Ivan said:

Really? What did he do?

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Isn't it obvious. He ordered someone to deflate 12 footballs on the sidelines in front of 7o,ooo people and 100 cameras S/O


The more probable explanation is the Ref who checked the balls let them slide thru because its not that big of a deal.

Joey007 said:

And what is your speculation helping?? All I've been seeing you look at is a s*** ton of speculation and not enough of the facts in this deal. Not saying I'm looking hard into facts, it's just I've never even seen you post before this whole debacle unfolding. How about waiting until official reports that actually put two and two together before making your conclusions rather than running around stating that BB will get suspended and the SB will get thrown and all that??

I'm not saying we won't get a harsh punishment. I'm not saying we'll simply get out of this without any consequence. I'm just saying you seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions on this, mostly because "Jay Glazer told you so."

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Don't tell me my posts are invalid just because I'm only compelled to actually speak up around here when **** is hitting the fan. That's ********. And honestly, how many more "facts" do you need to admit the outlook is legitimately bad right now?

I referenced Jay Glazer once, bro. Certainly didn't tell me to do ****. You know what told me to do ****? The fact that are initial benefits of the doubt (probably nothing happened, just a few balls were off, etc) was all wrong. I'm just being honest.

Or maybe you think I'm some troll just cause I never POST ENOUGH. Talk about a schizophrenic. Christ.

supafly said:

That's one of the most disappointing aspects. The fact that we should be discussing individual matchups, injuries, etc.

Hell, while no other team's fanbase are going to feel sorry for us, we've waited awhile for this opportunity just the same, and going through this absolutely sucks. I'm not going to lie--the way I feel right now I think I may have rather seen a loss Sunday if it meant avoiding all of this (understanding that it wouldn't have mattered). Going through this sucks ass on a big-time level, especially for a second time.

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Well, if there is a silver lining, then I suppose that there is still no word from the league on a resolution to their investigation.

However, it is very difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff comprising this miasma of speculation and half-truths, innuendos and tidbits.

We simply do not have enough information at this time, which has led to a lot of guesswork on the part of media and fellow posters alike, with a lot of the conjecture drawing off of the Spygate fallout.