Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

ChesBay · Jan 21, 2015

Potential course of action for Robert Kraft (predicated on game being irrevocably tarnished..."the fix is in"...the overwhelming need for the NFL to come down hard on us because of public perception):

Kraft gets out in front of the issue by announcing that he has personally taken responsibility for the situation by suspending Coach Belichick for the Super Bowl game (McDaniels acting coach) as well as Tom Brady (Garrapolo becomes starting QB).

Then see how NFL reacts.

I'm betting that this constitutes a perfect experiment to see what drives the NFL decision-makers. I also would find it highly entertaining to see how the media, Vegas, Seahawks, and other NFL coaches, players, fans would react. I'm even thinking you would see the social media tide start to turn...and achieve a full turnaround before game time on 1 Feb.

supafly · Jan 21, 2015

Bobsyouruncle said:
That game was in Indy. So Indy was deflating Patriot balls? Doesn't the home team hire the ball attendants? That rumor is suspect.

No. Each team has its own ball boys. They are employees of the team itself.

Kdo5 · Jan 21, 2015

ChesBay said:
Potential course of action for Robert Kraft (predicated on game being irrevocably tarnished..."the fix is in"...the overwhelming need for the NFL to come down hard on us because of public perception):

Kraft gets out in front of the issue by announcing that he has personally taken responsibility for the situation by suspending Coach Belichick for the Super Bowl game (McDaniels acting coach) as well as Tom Brady (Garrapolo becomes starting QB).

Then see how NFL reacts.

I'm betting that this constitutes a perfect experiment to see what drives the NFL decision-makers. I also would find it highly entertaining to see how the media, Vegas, Seahawks, and other NFL coaches, players, fans would react. I'm even thinking you would see the social media tide start to turn...and achieve a full turnaround before game time on 1 Feb.

Sounds terrible. I'll bail on the Pats if Kraft had the gall to do that.

slash83 · Jan 21, 2015

KDPPatsfan85 said:
This is really going to hurt us resigning players like Revis and getting free agents to sign with us. We are F#CKED!! I am still a Patriots fan and I am never going to give up on our team!! We will get through this!!

Brilliant just brilliant. Revis won't want to play for the patriots beyond this season because of under inflated balls.

blackglass3 · Jan 21, 2015

So, what news bit gets dropped tonight to ensure tomorrow's SportCenter ratings are up and they can keep rehashing the old info?

If I had to guess, I'm thinking fine/draft pick loss/change in the way balls are handled from now on. Or, disolvement of the New England Patriots franchise along with a lifetime ban of Tom Brady, the coaching staff, and Robert Kraft.

Wrath Mania · Jan 21, 2015

ChesBay said:
Potential course of action for Robert Kraft (predicated on game being irrevocably tarnished..."the fix is in"...the overwhelming need for the NFL to come down hard on us because of public perception):

Kraft gets out in front of the issue by announcing that he has personally taken responsibility for the situation by suspending Coach Belichick for the Super Bowl game (McDaniels acting coach) as well as Tom Brady (Garrapolo becomes starting QB).

Then see how NFL reacts.

I'm betting that this constitutes a perfect experiment to see what drives the NFL decision-makers. I also would find it highly entertaining to see how the media, Vegas, Seahawks, and other NFL coaches, players, fans would react. I'm even thinking you would see the social media tide start to turn...and achieve a full turnaround before game time on 1 Feb.

Wait, what? You want Kraft to throw the Super Bowl, hedging on the bet that everyone will suddenly realize the error in their ways and apologize?

Archeryaddict12 · Jan 21, 2015

I just get a bad feeling about this. They either can't find anything or they are working to tear this thing down. And I fear it may be the latter. Feel I might as well vent here, since that's what everyone is doing

Patsrock · Jan 21, 2015

supafly said:
No. Each team has its own ball boys. They are employees of the team itself.

I have heard the opposite. The home team provides it for both sidelines

sevengables_2207 · Jan 21, 2015

blackglass3 said:
So, what news bit gets dropped tonight to ensure tomorrow's SportCenter ratings are up and they can keep rehashing the old info?

If I had to guess, I'm thinking fine/draft pick loss/change in the way balls are handled from now on. Or, disolvement of the New England Patriots franchise along with a lifetime ban of Tom Brady, the coaching staff, and Robert Kraft.

If any of latter in the above happens, then it will truly be a maudlin affair here on Patsfans...

Onedaful · Jan 21, 2015

Wrath Mania said:
Wait, what? You want Kraft to throw the Super Bowl, hedging on the bet that everyone will suddenly realize the error in their ways and apologize?

This thread is slowly entering the realm of the twilight zone and I can't help but laugh as it gets crazier and crazier.

supafly · Jan 21, 2015

ChesBay said:
Supafly, they did not "weigh" the footballs...they tested them for pressure (with a pressure gauge). You keep mis-stating this....when the issue has nothing to do with weight whatsoever.

Okay, fair enough--they "examined" the footballs thoroughly and checked the air pressure, although I have seen reports where they claim that they weigh a certain amount in ounces if they are between 12.5 and 13.5 of pressure, so I'm not seeing the relevance of your concern.

One should assume that they likely did an all around examination, so you really don't know what that consists of any more than I do. Either way, I really don't know what difference it makes to choose such an innocuous (possible) error and choose to point that out?

ctpatsfan77 · Jan 21, 2015

Patsrock said:
I have heard the opposite. The home team provides it for both sidelines

If that's the case, then, doesn't that poke a hole in the Colts' argument that they were doing this in Indy? How are they going to get their hands on the footballs to deflate them?

Patriots1364life · Jan 21, 2015

Almost getting to 200 on a thread about deflation lol.I would like to put my anger towards someone but I cant.Its not about football anymore.I just cant believe bb put the pats fans through this bs again.

Wrath Mania · Jan 21, 2015

Archeryaddict12 said:
I just get a bad feeling about this. They either can't find anything or they are working to tear this thing down. And I fear it may be the latter. Feel I might as well vent here, since that's what everyone is doing

Unfortunately I agree with you.

I remember how shocking it was when Sean Payton got booted for a year, and I didn't even care one way or the other about the Saints. Joe Vitt kept talking about the league firing scuds at the Superdome, it was an ugly time.

I do think there's a slim- slim!- chance that either BB is out of the Super Bowl, or it's going to be his last coaching job for a longass time.

Snarf · Jan 21, 2015

Pretty obvious what happened to me. All teams cross lines all the time, and the Colts called the Pats on this one. So it's left looking like only the Pats have ever done anything wrong.

The Pats need to go nuclear... lay out all the ways that other teams are cheating... or at least, threaten that to Goodell. Clearly there's a lot of shady play going on, and for the mostpart no one cares that much. If the Colts are going to collapse the "unspoken rules", then the Pats need to name names and take everyone else down with them.

BelichickFan · Jan 21, 2015

sevengables_2207 said:
If any of latter in the above happens, then it will truly be a maudlin affair here on Patsfans...

And for the Patriots. Kraft may think he's the reason for this but it's Tom and Bill. If they go without a transition the Patriots will return to the 70s. And it will be well deserved.

sevengables_2207 · Jan 21, 2015

Patsrock said:
I have heard the opposite. The home team provides it for both sidelines

I have heard something a little different. In this version, the ball boys are local kids that work for the NFL.

tombonneau · Jan 21, 2015

ChesBay said:
Potential course of action for Robert Kraft (predicated on game being irrevocably tarnished..."the fix is in"...the overwhelming need for the NFL to come down hard on us because of public perception):

Kraft gets out in front of the issue by announcing that he has personally taken responsibility for the situation by suspending Coach Belichick for the Super Bowl game (McDaniels acting coach) as well as Tom Brady (Garrapolo becomes starting QB).

Then see how NFL reacts.

I'm betting that this constitutes a perfect experiment to see what drives the NFL decision-makers. I also would find it highly entertaining to see how the media, Vegas, Seahawks, and other NFL coaches, players, fans would react. I'm even thinking you would see the social media tide start to turn...and achieve a full turnaround before game time on 1 Feb.

He would be wise to preemptively suspend BB. As I said before, there is zero chance he is on that podium being handed a trophy. Goodell either suspends him or pats are buried in flags.

Suspending brady is conceding the game though. You may as well forfeit the game to **** with the league at that point.

supafly · Jan 21, 2015

Patsrock said:
I have heard the opposite. The home team provides it for both sidelines

The bottom line is that each team provides their own balls, so the Colts believed that the Patriots' balls were not inflated to the proper pressure back in November--or at least that's the story that has been published by many media outlets today.

The Colts believed that the balls were underinflated, which is likely some of what's happening now. I hardly believe that anyone on the Patriots' sidelines actually "deflated" the balls in plain sight. That said, I don't have a reasonable explanation for why they were fine in the beginning and not at halftime, other than the possibility of the weather.

Gronk · Jan 21, 2015

Patsrock said:
I have heard the opposite. The home team provides it for both sidelines

I think it may vary by team, as well as over time. Per the Deadspin story about Nick Lowery slapping a Patriots ballboy in the mid-90s, ball boys are provided by the home stadium. Per Pat Mannelly (former long-time long-snapper for the Chicago Bears, retired last year) on the radio today, they had their own guys from the staff that "took care of the balls", road or home. Unclear whether they were "ball boys" per se or just on-field assistants of some sort that took care of the balls on game day.

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