How much would a 30 degree F temp difference impact the pressure?

kennyb said:

I'm not saying they were. But remember, the refs didn't even NOTICE that the balls in the game were off.

SO maybe the balls in the 35 degree rainy day were off too and just not checked?

If you don't check balls ever and then the one time you do and they're off, how do you know they're not always off in said conditions?

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Totally get what your saying about a baseline, and you are absolutely correct there. Which is why all of this is dependent on what tests the NFL is using, and what they are comparing against.

Which is why complete and total transparency is necessary, and its what you NEVER get from the NFL - source: Every previous NFL scandal lol.

kennyb said:

I'm not saying they were. But remember, the refs didn't even NOTICE that the balls in the game were off.

SO maybe the balls in the 35 degree rainy day were off too and just not checked?

If you don't check balls ever and then the one time you do and they're off, how do you know they're not always off in said conditions?

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For what its worth, Greenberg on Mike and Mike was on Good Morning America or something like that yesterday and asked him if he could tell the difference.
He said since he knew what he was looking for he noticed a slight difference but wouldn't have otherwise.
The balls were 13 psi and 9 psi.

chasa said:

The problem there is Maybe Luck 'Aaron Rodgers' his balls, and submits them at 13.5 or 14psi

If they dropped 1.5 psi they would still be at the legal minimum. where as brady might like them at 12.5 and that causes them to drop to 11.

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Testing the footballs of the Colts would follow the same process. They would have a starting point of say 14psi if they "Aaron Rodgers" their balls. What you're testing for is not just the final psi but also the difference between when it was first tested and the second time they took a look.

smg93 said:

Testing the footballs of the Colts would follow the same process. They would have a starting point of say 14psi if they "Aaron Rodgers" their balls. What you're testing for is not just the final psi but also the difference between when it was first tested and the second time they took a look.

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Doesn't matter, The public would say BB skirted the rules by having them at the mimimum.

why hasn't an independent tester taken 100 balls filled at between 12.5 and 13.5 psi in 70-75 a degree room and exposed them to wet cold conditions for a couple hours and retest them? The way this thing has been reported I would have thought that would have been done 20 times by now......

PlainOldEd said:

why hasn't an independent tester taken 100 balls filled at between 12.5 and 13.5 psi in 70-75 a degree room and exposed them to wet cold conditions for a couple hours and retest them? The way this thing has been reported I would have thought that would have been done 20 times by now......

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Uhm because HUGE loss of website traffic if proven to be the weather.. the longer this goes on the more ad $$$ you get.

Belichick ought to demand lie detector tests for everyone....I

PlainOldEd said:

why hasn't an independent tester taken 100 balls filled at between 12.5 and 13.5 psi in 70-75 a degree room and exposed them to wet cold conditions for a couple hours and retest them? The way this thing has been reported I would have thought that would have been done 20 times by now......

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Great question. WHy don't the brainiacs at MIT do a test. Simple. Just need footballs and a measuring pin and a refrigerator.

kennyb said:

From my understanding...correct me if I'm wrong

Temp outside: 45F / 7C
Temp inside: 75 F 24 C (for sake of argument)

In Kelvin:
Outside = 273 + 7 = 280
Inside = 273 + 24 = 297

Initial Pressure 12.5psi. Absolute pressure 14.7psi + 12.5psi = 27.2 psi
ratio 280 / 297 = .942
Absolute pressure outside = .942 * 27.2 = 25.6
Guage pressure outside = 25.6 - 14.7 or 10.9 psi

Now maybe it was 70 degrees (21C) inside, then it'd be 11.2 psi. Same general idea.

So why isn't this being discussed nationally?

Or am I doing it wrong?

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I just dont understand why colts footballs arent under inflated then?

DanishPatFan said:

I just dont understand why colts footballs arent deflated then?

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They might not have had the same starting amount of psi. 13.5-1.0= 12.5 (which would be legal).

The issue isn't "deflated" vs. not, it is that the Pats were found to be under-inflated at halftime. Both sets of balls would experience some deflation in that weather. The only way that the Colts ball did not experience some deflation would be if they had been filled outside using air that was the same temperature at which they would be stored. If the Patriots balls had been filled using warm air indoors, that would explain the delta between the amount of deflation seen in both sets.

DanishPatFan said:

I just dont understand why colts footballs arent under inflated then?

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maybe they were. Or maybe they started at 13.5. Good question though.

Username said:

Surely the sensible thing to do would be to check the air pressure of the Colts balls too.

If they are also below what they should be, then it's due to adverse weather. Conspiracy over. Controversy over. Superbowl talk resumes.

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This makes too much sense. Why hasn't this been done?

brdmaverick said:

This makes too much sense. Why hasn't this been done?

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Sorry, I see my question was actually answered a few posts up (shame on me, i should have read all the way through).

DanishPatFan said:

I just dont understand why colts footballs arent under inflated then?

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so far, i haven't seen it reported that the colts balls were also measured at halftime.

DanishPatFan said:

I just dont understand why colts footballs arent under inflated then?

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They could have been inflated outside.

DanishPatFan said:

I just dont understand why colts footballs arent under inflated then?

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For arguments sake, not that any of this is true, they were inflated under different conditions to a different PSI.

Gerry Austin says they were "still legal" when tested, they could have started at 13.5 and been tested at 12.5, the important question here is "did the pressure level of the Colts' footballs drop at a rate similar to the Patriots?"

What would a rate be that is too close to distinguish?

bbobbo said:

so far, i haven't seen it reported that the colts balls were also measured at halftime.

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A former ref insisted that they were, and passed.

link: http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-...al-balls-would-have-been-inflated-at-halftime

Click on the Mike & Mike podcast link to the right. The refs comments about the Colts balls passing inspection occur right after the 2 minute mark

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

A former ref insisted that they were, and passed.

link: http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-...al-balls-would-have-been-inflated-at-halftime

Click on the Mike & Mike podcast link to the right. The refs comments about the Colts balls passing inspection occur right after the 2 minute mark

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Ahem, ahem, cough, cough, cough, the Colts may have inflated while outside and hence they would have experienced no pressure change from cooling. Kennyb put this to rest, well done Kennyb! It is only a matter a time before the NFL calls a chemistry professor at NYU. And other fans will continue to scream cheat even after the ideal gas law completely exonerates the Patriots.,

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

A former ref insisted that they were, and passed.

link: http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-...al-balls-would-have-been-inflated-at-halftime

Click on the Mike & Mike podcast link to the right. The refs comments about the Colts balls passing inspection occur right after the 2 minute mark

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How would the "former ref" know?

The Brandon Five said:

How would the "former ref" know?

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He says "to my understanding"

Thus I'd speculate that he would know a lot of his former co-workers very well, having traveled with them and worked with them for years. I'd further speculate that he has a telephone, and some of the officials involved talked to him.

Darrone said:

But if temperature difference was the only thing at play - balls in every cold weather game would be horribly underinflated, right? I mean the Baltimore game was 30 degrees below the Colts game.

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And to everyone else the balls would feel normal (refs for instance). But the Colts D rarely touches an opponent's football, and plays half their games in a damn dome ffs. No wonder it felt different to those wonderlic wiz kids. I'm serious.