Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

OhExaulted1 · Jan 21, 2015

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-patriots-deflated-footballs-20150121-story.html

http://chicago.suntimes.com/category/7/71/sports/football/

SVN said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/on-sca...atriots-in-deflate-gate-mess---070254658.html

The possibilty of losing draft picks due to "NFL football inflation regulations".

This is ABSOLUTELY insane. What's next? Grass length? Satellite communication? If it's someone else it's quickly swept away. If it's the New England Patriots it's an international conspiracy. Ridiculous.

upstater1 · Jan 21, 2015

But the Vikings and Titans have... With no punishment.

JayNM · Jan 21, 2015

It's all Brady's fault. If he wasn't intercepted, we would be talking about Seattle, not some balls

upstater1 · Jan 21, 2015

SyN65 said:
lol come on man. The physics temperatures? It wasn't even THAT cold out when the game was played, plenty of games have been played in colder weather.

The calculations take into account the 70 degree indoor temp and the 45 outdoor temp.

The difference in temp is what decides air pressure, not the cold weather

Ivan · Jan 21, 2015

SVN said:
Matt Chatham ‏@chatham58 15m15 minutes ago
20yrs of organized FB, never cared about air in the damn ball. Pump it up to comfortable & play. "Competitive advantage"= elite exaggeration

Matt Chatham ‏@chatham58 47s48 seconds ago
#NFL built forcefields around QBs & turned D into a gm of no-touch cooties, but a lil' air in ball is a crime against 'fairness'? Seriously?

Hopefully this is just the beginning of the pushback. Rodney Harrison began defending the Patriots yesterday and they really need their former players and even the local media to take up the cause now and start fighting back. McGinest, Evans, Bruschi, Brown Chatham,etc...etc... And Curran, Holley and as many local members who actually give a **** about this team and it's fans need to start calling ******** and defend this franchise. This is bogus garbage and they need to call it n out for what it is.

Sciz · Jan 21, 2015

@GreggDoyelStar: Patriots allegedly deflated 11 of 12 balls. Was the 12th ball for kicking? Did Patriots rig the AFC Championship Game??

Oh look. Even the self-proclaimed expert on balls and punishments doesn't know what the rules for kicking balls are.

IllegalContact · Jan 21, 2015

JarOfMayo51 said:
Now Patriot fans have to live with it. Even if they win the SB, we won't be able to enjoy it because of this, just like last time and it's total BS

I will enjoy it just as much........they can all suck it

upstater1 · Jan 21, 2015

Deus Irae said:
The point was about the "if". "If" they are found to have done this...

For the record, I'm not sure how Kraft would be able to justify keeping Belichick on. Given his stance on player actions, BB would pretty much have to go, and the question would be whether it was something like a year-long suspension or an outright firing.

If Kraft did that, I would want Kraft to go. In fact I'd stop watching and paying for 3 games a year. And if Kraft doesn't understand that there are probably other people like me, he will come to understand it, if he ever does that.

OhExaulted1 · Jan 21, 2015

JarOfMayo51 said:
I can't believe im going to say this, but if BB had a hand in this, then it's time Kraft moves on from him and forces him to resign.

This is getting so un****ingbelievably old that this teams reputation is constantly getting destroyed with every accomplishment that they achieve.

This was a huge high winning over Baltimore and then crushing Indy to to another Super Bowl with a team that could redeem themselves and get another Ring after all the Spygate BS that we STILL deal with today, 8 years later..

instead what we get immediately after the AFCCG is more headlines about how we're cheaters, how we should have to forfeit the game against the Colts who we absolutely annihilated and now everyone in the country is piling on and bathing in this total smear campaign.

If he was complicit in this, then BB needs to go. He's done irreparable damage to this franchise with his complete arrogance at every turn and is a cloud that will hang over this team and it's fan base for generations.

What other team in the history of the league has had such negative publicity? No other dynasty has to deal with people using cheaters in the same sentence as them every time they're brought up. . Just the Patriots, and by extension their fans.

This is ********... now even if they win the SB, we won't be able to enjoy it because we'll have to defend them at every turn.. AGAIN!

It's unbelievable how ****ing arrogant this team is in the face of the rules and the media and I'm getting sick of it because it removes the joy of the victories as a fan

I wish someone would stuff you back in your jar and permanently close the lid.

QuantumMechanic · Jan 21, 2015

If what NE did was submit under-inflated balls to the refs in the hopes the refs didn't thoroughly test them and they'd slip through (i.e. what Rogers has admitted the Packers do in the opposite direction), or did something a bit sneakier (like inflating to 12.5 PSI with warm/hot air), I'm OK with that. And if Goodell tries to punish NE with anything more than a fine I want Kraft to tell Goodell that's total BS and that he'll forfeit the game unless the punishment is changed to be more in line with the "crime" (which wouldn't actually be against any rule).

I also note that since P2 = (T2/T1) * P1 (where P and T are absolute pressures and temps), a drop from 70F to 50F would mean about a 1.1 PSI drop. So if the NFL tries to punish based only on the balls being measured 1.5 PSI too low at halftime, I again want Kraft to go nuclear with the league.

But if the league actually does have evidence of the balls being messed with post-checkin (skullduggery on sideline, breaking into ball storage room after checkin, whatever), then I am done with Belichick and want Kraft to fire him. What's the point of having a coach that leads the team to wins when you can't enjoy the wins?

BadMoFo · Jan 21, 2015

Anyone else feel like we are already down 14 to the 'Hawks? Hope it turns out the same way we were down two TDs.

OhExaulted1 · Jan 21, 2015

Patradomous said:
Your lying again.

I don't want Belichick fired. I said Kraft should fire him if there is clear link between him and and deflating the balls for an advantage outside of the rules of the game.Its embarrassing to the organization and the fan base and the brand.

Like poster Triumph said 'Belichick screwing with the balls is like "A millionaire shoplifting in walmart."

And only dumb ass footy pajama boy know nothing mo mo like yourself who doesn't have the IQ or personal integrity to think otherwise would disagree with me.
Any Questions??

You should be fired for your ignorance. Take off your own footy-pajamas and grow a set. Football games are won and lost by running, blocking and tackling. Not by "football PSI pressure".

And BTW, you owe Miguel's charity a $100 bucks. Man up.

Patriot Missile · Jan 21, 2015

Way to dispute anything Patriots. You just sit there and play nice and let the investigation play out as usual knowing damn well stories were going to leak. Now your silence damns you to public opinion.

One question? After every single play the refs place the ball,run,pass,incompletion. Not one ref noticed it was under inflated? Now I know the refs without a doubt whether they did their job or not are going to claim they used their gauges and everything was AOK. But after the half you don't know what happened? Did the balls leave the field at anytime? Is there camera footage of tampering? All I have to say is you better have some kind of damning evidence before even thinking of making a example of the Patriots.

Jackson 2 · Jan 21, 2015

There is only one thing I'm positive about regarding the final disposition of this case: the Commissioner will f### this up as sure as rain is wet. In case after case he's proven his incompetence beyond a shadow of a doubt. The Krafts and the Maras and the Rooneys can play footsie with him all they want. But, I wouldn't hire this guy to run the local Cumberland Farms or 7-11. He's a bumbling idiot.

upstater1 · Jan 21, 2015

festy1986 said:
that video is nice but for it to go from 13.5 to 11 it needed to be in 10 degree temperature for an hour straight.

It was over 51 degrees at game time.

13.5 is not the bottom threshold. And how did you calculate that?

Patradomous · Jan 21, 2015

OhExaulted1 said:
And BTW, you owe Miguel's charity a $100 bucks. Man up.

Thats between me and him and none of your god damn business

OhExaulted1 said:
You should be fired for your ignorance. Take off your own footy-pajamas and grow a set. Football games are won and lost by running, blocking and tackling. Not by "football PSI pressure".

And playing by the same rules everyone else has to. And if you get caught you have pay the piper just like in real life.
.

thenepatsrule · Jan 21, 2015

Bucs QB Johnson paid to have footballs altered before SB 37

I paid some guys off to get the balls right," Johnson now admits. "I went and got all 100 footballs, and they took care of all of them."

How much did it cost Johnson? "Seventy-five hundred (dollars)," he said.

"They took care of them."

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/...o-have-footballs-altered-before-sb-37/2214490

The Brandon Five · Jan 21, 2015

rlcarr said:
I also note that since P2 = (T2/T1) * P1 (where P and T are absolute pressures and temps), a drop from 70F to 50F would mean about a 1.1 PSI drop. So if the NFL tries to punish based only on the balls being measured 1.5 PSI too low at halftime, I again want Kraft to go nuclear with the league.

Unpossible! Cheatriots! Waaaaaah!

Physics is just another Belichickian trick.

Ivan · Jan 21, 2015

Patradomous said:
Your lying again.

I don't want Belichick fired. I said Kraft should fire him if there is clear link between him and and deflating the balls for an advantage outside of the rules of the game.Its embarrassing to the organization and the fan base and the brand.

Like poster Triumph said 'Belichick screwing with the balls is like "A millionaire shoplifting in walmart."

And only dumb ass footy pajama boy know nothing mo mo like yourself who doesn't have the IQ or personal integrity to think otherwise would disagree with me.
Any Questions??

Triumph is n one of the biggest Belichick haters on this board and went missing for months when they stared winning. You were the biggest crybaby on this board and declared them dead in September, neither of you has a shred of credibility when it comes to the Patriots. You want to cheer them and pretend you are a fan if they win a Super Bowl but your nuts crawl up into your body cavity at the first sign of adversity. The term pink hat comes to mind, but that's really am insult to the women who post here because it implies a front runner who only cares when they are winning and the women who post here have far more knowledge,dedication and fortitude than you will ever possess. You're a whiny little ***** and a ****ty fan, you should stick to your Broncos because as you told us already, their the greatest team ever assembled, they won't let you down.

Connecticut · Jan 21, 2015

Horrible feeling about this, especially that "insider" bit in the ESPN piece.

Get ready for a 3rd rounder getting docked, possibly worse. However, the worst penalty is the hit to our already "sterling" reputation.

Goodell will come down hard on us after his personal fiasco in the league, to once again, set an example.

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