Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

Jlaff said:

Love that #deflategatedebunked thanks again Danger Zone!

Reposting the video he found in case people missed it earlier in the thread. THIS SHOULD BE THE NUMBER ONE STORY TOMORROW. I'm tweeting like crazy, hopefully some of these journalists actually read their tweets.
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What does that prove? It wasn't 10 degrees Fahrenheit on Sunday, it was 39 I believe.

BradyToAmendola said:

What does that prove? It wasn't 10 degrees Fahrenheit on Sunday, it was 39 I believe.

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I thought it was 21-22 (checking now). And what's been reported is a 15% drop. Video showed 20% at 10 degrees.

Edit: Accuweather.com showed an actual low of 19 degrees.

festy1986 said:

that video is nice but for it to go from 13.5 to 11 it needed to be in 10 degree temperature for an hour straight.

It was over 51 degrees at game time.

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Graham Gano even stated the balls are measured inside, so room temp which is 72 and outside at kickoff was 51 with it being 46 at the conclusion of game is a pretty large difference in temperature. Over the course of a game a 12.5 min spec ball will obviously be under inflated.

I'm going to bed. If that video isn't proof when preaching to the choir, I don't know what is!

It's a range of 12.5-13.5
So if inflated to 12.5 as required it's not so far.

The rest can put down to anomalies . Two different but identical cars are both supplied with a litre of petrol an sent down the identical section of road and each will go a different distance. In fact the same car can be sent down the same track and get a different result each time.

Jlaff said:

I thought it was 21-22 (checking now). And what's been reported is a 15% drop. Video showed 20% at 10 degrees.

Edit: Accuweather.com showed an actual low of 19 degrees.

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http://www.wunderground.com/persona...storyTable#history/s20150118/e20150118/mdaily

It was 51.4 at kickoff and roughly 46 at the end of the game.

BradyToAmendola said:

What does that prove? It wasn't 10 degrees Fahrenheit on Sunday, it was 39 I believe.

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I don't even believe it was quite that cold, although it may have gone down as the game wore on.

I guess Danger Zone is just pointing out the fact that a ball while deflate a bit in certain conditions, so I think he's assuming that it would still take place on some level with temps in the 40s.

In other words, if the PSI was 12.5 (minimum) at the weigh in prior to the game, then it's possible that it may have gone down a bit to something around 12.0 or even in the 11's.

Deus Irae said:

Oh, man. I've been giving you love tonight!

Son of a....

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I know. Crises sometimes cause strange alliances.

deters said:

http://www.wunderground.com/persona...storyTable#history/s20150118/e20150118/mdaily

It was 51.4 at kickoff and roughly 46 at the end of the game.

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Yeah, I don't know why so many think it was much colder out?

Either way, I can appreciate the fact that the ball may have deflated a bit with temps in the 40s, although I'm not quite as sure that it would see some of the extreme changes that have been suggested. Then again, I'm far from a science guy, so I really don't know.

Danger Zone said:

I posted that on Page 2 of this Thread.

I posted it again later on with the caveat that I was surprised that more wasn't being made of this video.. but I deleted it out of concern that I might be spamming an already spammy thread.

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THIS, you have my full permission to spam.

I'm wondering if the 11 balls were all exactly at 11 psi. That would seem to be odd. Also have to take into account the 250+ pound men falling on the balls. I just can't imagine all those balls being exactly at 11 psi.

Ugh. I hope the full report is released soon.

festy1986 said:

that video is nice but for it to go from 13.5 to 11 it needed to be in 10 degree temperature for an hour straight.

It was over 51 degrees at game time.

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Halftime it was 45 I think. And starting pressure could legally be 12.5.

Fine, maybe I got a little excited too quickly, but some solid evidence in our favor all the same.
Temp + Gronking + Minimum pressure at measure + maybe even leaving outside for the entire 4 hours until halftime = resulting psi (seems as likely as anything else).

Also, if balls inflated with dry air would the moisture in the surrounding air not seep into the ball by osmosis? And would this in turn affect the pressure? Just asking any of the real scientists on here.

With the sparse info we have, it's still hard to tell what's going on, but it seems to me like the Patriots A)Turned the balls in under-spec and B) The refs did not check the balls, because before Colts sour grapes, nobody cared. Manipulating or altering ball boys. players, other coaches and the balls themselves from the sideline is virtually impossible. If the low balls all came in at the same reading (11) that would make it even more likely the refs just didn't test before the game started.

Not that it matters but if it was 20 degrees out that rain would of been snow.

If the pats started the balls at 12.5 2 hours before game time, is it really inconceivable that over the course of that two hours and almost hour and half before halftime that Those balls could shrink by 1.5? I believe that's possible

We have become scientists and engineers in a football forum hahahaha I still think this story is overblown we crushed the Colts and the team still had to execute deflated on purpose or not

Unless someone actually says they did this, it will be virtually impossible to prove.

After factors such as temperature, rain, wind are taken into consideration we might be discussing the fact the balls are either

a) not under-inflated at all or
b) they are under-inflated by less that 5%.

We are talking about a ****ing thick skinned balloon here. It expands, it contracts, it loses pressure, it gains pressure.

The balls were not inflated or used in a controlled laboratory experiment, they were pumped up in one place at one temp, taken to another place at a different temp and then chucked around in water for a couple of hours.

Are the gauges on the pumps calibrated, do we have certs?, are the refs gauges calibrated?.


Prove that ****, I dare ya.

If we altered the balls after the refs checked them, we're losing our 1st round pick and getting a massive fine.

If we just handed them in at 10 and the refs didn't check, that's on the refs and the league may be more angry with the refs than us.

OMGWTFJUDD said:

Unless someone actually says they did this, it will be virtually impossible to prove.

After factors such as temperature, rain, wind are taken into consideration we might be discussing the fact the balls are either

a) not under-inflated at all or
b) they are under-inflated by less that 5%.

We are talking about a ****ing thick skinned balloon here.

Prove that ****, I dare ya.

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At the end of the day you may be right.

At the end of the day opposing fans also won't care. It's already a fact that we "cheated" to many of our own "fans". Imagine how opponents fans and even uneducated players feel?

Currently, my only gripe about this whole situation is that its another "blemish" on us (even if it is proven to not be). We have that "reputation".

Whatever. We win. We win a LOT more than anyone else. At the end of the day that is all I care about.