Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

Nobody's getting kicked out of the super bowl.

upstater1 said:

The refs check the balls then, but Mort reported that the refs actually receive the balls on Friday.

Click to expand...

an

Deus Irae said:

Some questions that need to be answered:

1. Did the officials remember to do the PSI checks '2' hours before the game?
2. Did the officials record the PSI readings from '2' hours before the game?
3. Did the cameras spot any tampering with the footballs post-inspection?
4. Did the ball boys, and any other potential tamperers get interviewed and offer any admissions?
5. Did Colts footballs get re-tested at the half (or whenever the specific time of re-testing happened to be) along with the Patriots footballs?
6. What is the likely impact of the weather upon the footballs, and is this in the theoretical range?
7. How many licks does it take to get to the Tootsie roll center of a Tootsie roll Tootsie pop (assuming the licker doesn't have an owl's beak)?

Click to expand...

Rich Hill @PP_Rich_Hill
Follow
So I just watched the Patriots sideline from the start of the game through the pick. Ballboys weren't doing anything strange.
1:19 AM - 21 Jan 2015
26 Retweets 24 favorites

I've played the good guy all thread, going to play the bad guy against my own will,

Here's a simple explanation that I haven't seen thought of yet:

The balls used weren't deflated but swapped.

I don't believe this to be the case at all, but due to being fair to both sides...

I thought the game balls were new and that they are given to each team a week or so before game to work on. It seems they are months in the making. I would assume older balls would lose psi quicker.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/s...s-are-months-in-making.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1& post by @robbomango

strngplyr said:

A lot of your post seems to hinge on you believing the balls are approved before the season.

They are required to be approved two hours before kick off of the specific game, they require maintenance.

If they are below the limits then yes, they are "routinely" pumped up, to fix the error, or they would be rejected and corrected before they are allowed for use in a game.

Click to expand...

Not at all! Read it again. My post fully acknowledges that the balls are inspected before each game throughout the entire season. What I'm suggesting is that those same balls exist over the course of that entire season....living through each game and each practice as they are played/executed. I'm also suggesting that they are let "as is" through each inspection....conforming to the individual preferences of each team's QB. And if the balls make it through the inspection (however rigorous), then fine....if they don't for some reason, then they'll be adjusted accordingly. Bottom line: I don't think they're being pumped up (i.e. to spec) as routinely as you may think.

cmasspatsfan said:

an

Rich Hill @PP_Rich_Hill
Follow
So I just watched the Patriots sideline from the start of the game through the pick. Ballboys weren't doing anything strange.
1:19 AM - 21 Jan 2015
26 Retweets 24 favorites

Click to expand...

This should be all we need to know.

This is all just so very disappointing

cmasspatsfan said:

an

Rich Hill @PP_Rich_Hill
Follow
So I just watched the Patriots sideline from the start of the game through the pick. Ballboys weren't doing anything strange.
1:19 AM - 21 Jan 2015
26 Retweets 24 favorites

Click to expand...

No offense to either you or Rich, but we can't take the word of a guy from PatsPulpit on this one, no matter how much of a stand up guy we might (or might not) generally consider him. Frankly, I don't trust the NFL, either, but they are the arbiter (Thanks NFLPA!)

Danger Zone said:

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/ist/?...ence-first-cold-weather-super-bowl-180949521/


1:45 mark

Sports Science exposed a football at 10 degree temperatures for 1 hour. Its air pressure dropped over 20%.

The exact same laws of physics applies when the weather is in the 40's and 50's as well.

As several experts have guestimated, the expected drop in air pressure would have be from 1.4 psi to 1.75 psi.

Click to expand...

Thank you, DangerZone.

You are my favorite person tonight, along with Graham Gano, Aaron Rodgers, and Eli manning.

jsull87 said:

This is all just so very disappointing

Click to expand...

What is disappointing?

If you're referring to New England being "caught cheating", then you should be very pleased to know that that hasn't actually happened! I hope I just made your night better!

i still think the NFL is distraught over their own officiating. the Colts started a **** storm that no one wanted to start and now they are backpedaling to get this all under the rug again

FourierSeries said:

Not happening.

Click to expand...

Just to be clear: the NFL rulebook states that: "A forfeit occurs only when a game is not played because of the failure or refusal of one team to participate."

It explicitly states that, barring a team intentionally removing its players from the field, "The Commissioner, League President, and their representatives, including referees, are not authorized unilaterally to declare forfeits."

shmessy said:

Thank you, DangerZone.

You are my favorite person tonight, along with Graham Gano, Aaron Rodgers, and Eli manning.

Click to expand...

Oh, man. I've been giving you love tonight!

Son of a....

Ok, I've had enough fun for tonight. The way I see it, the refs f***ed up by not keeping track of the psi throughout the game and if the Pats are indeed guilty..either prove it or shut the f*** up

nowayback said:

I thought the game balls were new and that they are given to each team a week or so before game to work on. It seems they are months in the making. I would assume older balls would lose psi quicker.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/s...s-are-months-in-making.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1& post by @robbomango

Click to expand...

I think that a team can probably get as many balls as they want and at any time. I think the NFL only cares about them being "The Duke" official balls and given to them at the appropriate time. I don't think they care when the ball was given. That's just my guess though.

jsull87 said:

This is all just so very disappointing

Click to expand...

This is like when a family member gets charged for a crime.

They tell you they're innocent--you want to believe them with all of your heart, but you know the judge is a biased ****, so it's not going to matter anyway.

Oh, and there's also that small 1% of you that wonders in the back of your mind, "what if?" All of the talk actually starts to create a small amount of doubt.

strngplyr said:

I've played the good guy all thread, going to play the bad guy against my own will,

Here's a simple explanation that I haven't seen thought of yet:

The balls used weren't deflated but swapped.

I don't believe this to be the case at all, but due to being fair to both sides...

Click to expand...

Then the Pats still went against the rules. The ref marks the balls as he approves them after inspection before the game. Teams aren't allowed to just toss in new balls.

shmessy said:

Thank you, DangerZone.

You are my favorite person tonight, along with Graham Gano, Aaron Rodgers, and Eli manning.

Click to expand...

I posted that on Page 2 of this Thread.

I posted it again later on with the caveat that I was surprised that more wasn't being made of this video.. but I deleted it out of concern that I might be spamming an already spammy thread.

ctpatsfan77 said:

Just to be clear: the NFL rulebook states that: "A forfeit occurs only when a game is not played because of the failure or refusal of one team to participate."

It explicitly states that, barring a team intentionally removing its players from the field, "The Commissioner, League President, and their representatives, including referees, are not authorized unilaterally to declare forfeits."

Click to expand...

Stop quoting the rules, some of these people probably hope we're forced to forfeit so they don't need to hear about the asterisk next to our name after we potentially bring home our 4th VLT.

To some its easier to accept defeat then have the win questioned, sadly.

Goodell is in no position to come down hard.

Challenge anything he throws at us