Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

I wanna know if bill knew.Just his answer alone on that press conference tells me he knew.

In terms of the superbowl I dont know. They killed my mood for the game honestly

festy1986 said:

I still don't understand how if the refs FIXED the problem at halftime, how on the VERY FIRST PLAY from scrimmage they removed a ball for apparently not being properly inflated.

Nothing makes sense.

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That may be part of it, and it may not. It really may have just been a "K" ball that had been kept in play on accident like the announcers + Mike Carey originally thought.

JMC00 said:

Well that issue is solely on the league and the refs.

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It was also 10 degrees out

I just can't believe the line of thinking that BB lied by saying he had no knowledge of this until that morning, when he knew the league would potentially investigate and surely catch him if he was behind it. I feel like if he was responsible, his answer would've been more of an "I am not discussing this" type of thing.

TBR said:

May I ask how we know that the balls were properly inflated for the second half?

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Because the report that has everyone in a hoot right now states the balls were checked at halftime and came in 2 points under regulation.

Now if those same refs sent those balls back out in halftime then it's a league scandal and not a patriot one of you ask me

JUST IN: "Marshall Faulk claims the Patriots used deflated balls in Super Bowl 36"

festy1986 said:

This tells me that the refs didn't do THEIR job as much as anything.

What is the penalty for the nfl screwing up.

I bet it doesn't compare to what we're gonna be handed down.

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I agree with this. Potentially, there are two issues. One is the fact that the NFL officials played loosey goosey with the rules and didn't properly inspect the balls prior to the game. In this instance, I still think it's very possible that the NFL still holds the Patriots responsible, because even if the refs should have caught the underweight balls, they can say that the Patriots should never have intentionally submitted the the underweight balls. The second issue is the Rodgers comment. This makes the incident more than just an isolated event by one subpar crew. It indicates something more widespread. Because of this, Goodell won't be able to just nail the Pats and move on without the Shield being tarnished.

Obviously, this is just my conjecture.

Trolls starting to come out with not all facts posted...

regardless of whats come out today..i still call ********

the only way we are culprits is if we got our hands on the balls after the refs checked them and before the game began...and proving that is going to be next to impossible

so whatever else happens, its just circumstantial and doesnt prove a thing...i think the refs have been doing this pressure check for years and no one truly cares for it so maybe the ball was actually 12psi and they let it go, so by going outside it dropped to 11 psi

however if it was all fixed at halftime, and we went on and whooped indy's ass, its case closed

upstater1 said:

First off, you're assuming the NFL isn't rounding off. I'll assume it is because it is saying the balls were 2 PSI below the threshold. 11 is not 2 below 12.5. You accuse me of ignoring science. I accuse the NFL of ignoring math. And also, I wrote thAt balls are not Airtight containers. It goes without saying thAt balls leak. We've used $200 new Nike Incyte soccer balls that lost air. These are leather balls. They will leak. That's not ignoring science. That's common sense.

And you can bet your derrière, given the NFLs numbers, that the actual measurements came in at 11.2 and 11.5 and 10.6, and I say this only because the NFL is clearly rounding off these numbers, or at least the reporters like Mort and Reiss are doing it.

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You're grasping. That's all I can say. The numbers are too large even at the "rounded" figures. You don't lose 15% pressure on 11 balls in a few hours...sorry, doesn't happen without major defects. Your car example would mean that you lost 5 pounds of pressure in a few hours (assuming 32pounds is max pressure for your tires). You'd be filling up air every day.

It's a losing argument when I can provide the math and you're answer is "common sense" so I'll end this here and stop wasting both of our time.

If the Ravens balls were deflated, that would support the theory that the weather is the reason for the deflation. Unless both teams use the same kicking ball, I have no idea why they would comment on this.

festy1986 said:

Because the report that has everyone in a hoot right now states the balls were checked at halftime and came in 2 points under regulation.

Now if those same refs sent those balls back out in halftime then it's a league scandal and not a patriot one of you ask me

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betcha thats why they are distraught about it

they cannot blame the Pats but only themselves

kennyb said:

It's 1.5 psi below minimum of 12.5.

Still a big decrease.

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Unless 11 footballs were initially filled with 41 degree air there was going to be an inevitable drop in PSI over the course of the game.

Even before the 11 psi number got leaked (Im too mad to even laugh at my puns), a 1.5-1.75 drop in psi is exactly what the experts were guesstimating at.

supafly said:

That may be part of it, and it may not. It really may have just been a "K" ball that had been kept in play on accident like the announcers + Mike Carey originally thought.

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Yes. That's the problem with the nfl not having already figured this out.

Seems as if they are looking for blame instead of just chalking it up to something incidental

Patriots1364life said:

I wanna know if bill knew.Just his answer alone on that press conference tells me he knew.

In terms of the superbowl I dont know. They killed my mood for the game honestly

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What leads you to believe this?

If the Pats gave the refs the balls on Friday at 12.5 psi (league min) at 70 f , I would expect all the balls to be deflated by halftime. Temp difference and use.
The NFL seems to be very interested in covering its ass, very few replays Pats game for penalties.

Seanzayyy said:

JUST IN: "Marshall Faulk claims the Patriots used deflated balls in Super Bowl 36"

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I am not one to take jokes lightly at the moment. So I hope you are joking here

FirstAndGoal said:

You're grasping. That's all I can say. The numbers are too large even at the "rounded" figures. You don't lose 15% pressure on 11 balls in a few hours...sorry, doesn't happen without major defects. Your car example would mean that you lost 5 pounds of pressure in a few hours (assuming 32pounds is max pressure for your tires). You'd be filling up air every day.

It's a losing argument when I can provide the math and you're answer is "common sense" so I'll end this here and stop wasting both of our time.

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You're claiming to be into science here and yet you've ignored the post doing the calculations that it's not a 15% loss but a 7.2% loss based on the actual method for measuring loss of compression.

Holy ****ing ****, this thread is suddenly filled with physics experts.

Is this the freaking crowd from the gameday threads who walk out of a game when the opposing team kicks a fieldgoal on their opening possession?

This is so freaking pathetic.

ESPN leaked such out of context information on an investigation that isn't even complete and you're all idiots eating it up.

Holy ****.

The posts in this thread make me angrier than the though of us being proven guilty of doing anything (which hasn't even come close to happening, by the way).

Most of ESPN doesn't like us. THAT is not a conspiracy.

The information leaked, to the common observer, immediately damns us because its what everyone was hoping to read.

THE INVESTIGATION HAS NOT HAPPENED. WE HAVEN'T BEEN PROVEN GUILTY.

Wow.

Nope, but I can spell "Moss is better". #JustSaying