Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

FrodoBagginz said:

But that brings up the question of the 12th ball. Why wasn't that at the same PSI as the other balls?

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Who knows?

Perhaps it started out over inflated?

Regardless, I'm not in agreement with Reiss' logic that two or three footballs having low PSI is understandable, but eleven is proof of some type of guilt. Too many other possible explanations and too many unanswered questions to jump to a conclusion.

Deus Irae said:

No offense, but how do you know this? After all, if this really is the Patriots doing, it's not certain that this was the first time it was done.

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I don't even want to think about the possibility of this being a recurrent thing. Honestly, if we actually did deflate balls at every game, it wouldn't have been caught just now, it would be known for quite sometime. Like I said, i don't know what to believe.We really don't need that kind of thing to beat any team.

This seriously screwed my night, I am feeling sick and, unfortunately, it's not in thanks to the half dozen of shots i had tonight

https://twitter.com/billsimmons/status/557773316938006528

Does anyone here think this will distract them for the SB? Because i dont.

Brady_to_Moss said:

Does anyone here think this will distract them for the SB? Because i dont.

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fuel for the fire


poster material

SVN said:

They will blame on the equipment manager . BB will deny any knowledge if that is the case and I still doubht he is worried about it during the middle of the AFCCG but league wont spare him.

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Kind of like the Rats and Tripgate. The Rats were initially allowed to investigate themselves, but ultimately Goodell said he believed Rex Ryan and Mike Westhoff when they claimed ignorance of what was happening on their own sidelines.

Let's hope the league gives the Pats the same courtesy.


Yeah right, like THAT will happen!

I really hope that this was just an error on the refs not properly measuring the balls. If the Patriots are not culpable it will still put a black eye on the organization due to all the rampant speculation that has occurred the past 2 days. This just completely sucks. Even if we're found not guilty we'll still be guilty to the misinformed and ignorant. It gets so tiring fighting for the truth. I really really hope that this was just a massive oversight and they quickly put it to rest tomorrow. Unfortunately I dont think it will happen. I'm just afraid of what this may do to the team in the short and long run.

upstater1 said:

Balls are not airtight containers. Neither are car tires. We reinflate soccer balls after games because they lose air. In fact, I've had tires that lost pressure with colder temps, but when it warmed up the next day, the tire was still down

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That's currently happening on my SUV, and it only has about 3,000 miles on it so the tires are fairly new.

When it's cold my warning light comes on signifying that I need to put air in the tires; however when it's warmer the next day my light goes off and everything seems fine again as far as the car's computer is concerned.

Brady_to_Moss said:

Does anyone here think this will distract them for the SB? Because i dont.

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I think it has to in some way. It may make them hungrier to win the SB, but I'm sure it's got to be in their head somewhat. ****, they had NFL investigators questioning some of them after a big win. How can that not affect them.

JayNM said:

I don't even want to think about the possibility of this being a recurrent thing. Honestly, if we actually did deflate balls at every game, it wouldn't have been caught just now, it would be known for quite sometime. Like I said, i don't know what to believe.We really don't need that kind of thing to beat any team.

This seriously screwed my night, I am feeling sick and, unfortunately, it's not in thanks to the half dozen of shots i had tonight

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No need to worry about this yet. There were basically 2 components that had to come up snake eyes for the Patriots to be in trouble: proper inflation and culpability.

#1 came up snake eyes.
#2 is still to be determined.

there are a ton of scenarios here. And we won't know what the truth is until/if a full report comes out. Lets say the pats turned them in the refs didn't gauge them, just made sure they passed the feel test. Then measured them found out they were low. The pats then have plausible deniability, maybe the gauge the pats used was broke who knows. But unless the refs gauged and recorded the PSI and then have proof the pats let air out of them then this a lot to do about nothing.

This tells me that the refs didn't do THEIR job as much as anything.

What is the penalty for the nfl screwing up.

I bet it doesn't compare to what we're gonna be handed down.

shmessy said:

And THAT may be what the league officials are distraught about.

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Yep. Assuming this has been deliberate, and assuming they've been doing it for a while, then I think the Patriots would bank on the refs being negligent, like Rodgers, instead of somehow having a deflate-scramble within that two hour window (or two minute window if Roger Goodell's coffee-fetching lackey is right).

supafly said:

Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you deem as "misinformation" so far?

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A couple examples would be that I've read that we've already been found guilty and 1/3 of the air in the ball was removed. These have both been corrected as more info has leaked from the league (we aren't guilty *yet* and the balls were 1.5 PSI below required minimum).

If you think this forum thread is bad, go do a search for DeflateGate on Twitter.

Bob kravitz is quoting anonymous sources saying the reason vinatieri missed that field goal is because the patriots put rocks in the ball

FirstAndGoal said:

Then you have a leak. Also, 11 balls at 2 psi ? You're grasping and ignoring science.

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First off, you're assuming the NFL isn't rounding off. I'll assume it is because it is saying the balls were 2 PSI below the threshold. 11 is not 2 below 12.5. You accuse me of ignoring science. I accuse the NFL of ignoring math. And also, I wrote thAt balls are not Airtight containers. It goes without saying thAt balls leak. We've used $200 new Nike Incyte soccer balls that lost air. These are leather balls. They will leak. That's not ignoring science. That's common sense.

And you can bet your derrière, given the NFLs numbers, that the actual measurements came in at 11.2 and 11.5 and 10.6, and I say this only because the NFL is clearly rounding off these numbers, or at least the reporters like Mort and Reiss are doing it.

Brady_to_Moss said:

Yawn....pats will use this as more motivation

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I think it could go both ways. Obviously, I am hoping that you're right.

festy1986 said:

Worst part is, you know the colts fans will troll.

They won't even have a articulate, no biased convo about how in the second half, with proper inflated balls the pats were actually BETTER and scored enough points to best the colts several times over.

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And if they do try to troll we just respond with how this doesn't explain why Andrew Luck had his worst game as a pro and they only put up 7 points

jmt57 said:

Who knows?

Perhaps it started out over inflated?

Regardless, I'm not in agreement with Reiss' logic that two or three footballs having low PSI is understandable, but eleven is proof of some type of guilt. Too many other possible explanations and too many unanswered questions to jump to a conclusion.

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I agree. That was out of character for Reiss.

SMH

http://nesn.com/2015/01/reports-ravens-believe-they-used-under-inflated-balls-vs-patriots/