Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

juny · Jan 21, 2015

shmessy said:
Media Day is next Tuesday.

Can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!

Sick sense of humor but I stilled laughed

SyN65 · Jan 21, 2015

upstater1 said:
Absolute nonsense. Assuming the weather didn't deflate the balls? How in the world can that be shown?

11 of 12 being deflated to 11 psi is pretty damning evidence. Info on the Colts balls needs to come out. If those are the correct psi than the Pats are ****ed. Suspension for Bill, lost draft picks, etc.

Deus Irae · Jan 21, 2015

upstater1 said:
Absolute nonsense. Assuming the weather didn't deflate the balls? How in the world can that be shown?

Yeah, you've been ignoring all the physics talk here, I suppose? Also, you, like the other guy, seem to like ignoring the word "if" (or in this case, the phrase "assuming the initial inspection of footballs by referee Walt Anderson and his crew was done correctly and that weather wasn't a factor", which means the same thing, in context).

Dr Pain · Jan 21, 2015

scott99 said:
If the Pats are found to have cheated, my season ended January 18th. I won't watch football until next season. Honestly, I wouldn't care about the SB because it wouldn't matter to me, it'll be ruined. Win or lose, the season is ruined. Now I have to go to work everyday and hear from NY teams fans how we are cheaters and a disgrace to the league. Oddly enough, these same people were defending the Pats prior to this report.

I understand. Went through it in 2007. Had to come to the realization I don't own the team or make $ from them. If it turns out they did this I will be very disappointed but at this point I am not ready to make that jump.

TBR · Jan 21, 2015

What pisses me off is how they've leaked INCOMPLETE information, which is making us look bad right now.

Seanzayyy · Jan 21, 2015

Has there actually been confirmation that the refs indeed checked the balls before kickoff? Refs are people and people make mistakes. Or perhaps this is an area that refs routinely cut corners on?

FourierSeries · Jan 21, 2015

tombonneau said:
What's great is everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over an arbitrary number plucked out of the air by an overly judicious and overly regulated NFL. How about letting teams use footballs that they are comfortable with to optimize their performance? But no there has the rules for everything.

Exactly. I have no problem with this, morally, even if it is intentional. If teams have control over their own balls, then they should be able to over or under-inflate them as they wish. The only issue I have is that it wasn't needed against this team specifically. We would have killed Indy regardless.

FrodoBagginz · Jan 21, 2015

upstater1 said:
Say the Patriots had the ballboy deflate the balls. The rule book stipulates what the penalty is. $25k. And, when the Vikings and Titans were caught manipulating the balls on the sidelines this season, the NFL did not penalize them. Given those 2 facts, why are people talking about draft picks?

Because nobody gives a **** about the Vikings and Titans.....just like when the Jets were caught doing the same thing the Pats were doing videotaping on the sideline and it was brushed off. Goodell is looking to come down hard on us.

festy1986 · Jan 21, 2015

The problem with any knowledge on the colts balls is as the whistle blower, I can't take the evidence seriously.

It's not a matter of what the pressure was anymore, it's a matter of who or what did it and how do you prove it.

I'm not gonna just take their word for it. If they say it was done on purpose you best lay out exactly how it was done.

shmessy · Jan 21, 2015

tombonneau said:
What's great is everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over an arbitrary number plucked out of the air by an overly judicious and overly regulated NFL. How about letting teams use footballs that they are comfortable with to optimize their performance? But no there has the rules for everything.

.....or how about the NFL act like every other American major sports league and NOT give the balls to the individual teams to have custody over?

This entire situation is ridiculously easy to avoid.

Patsrock · Jan 21, 2015

I see a lot of people are jumping to conclusions based on a very very incomplete report

supafly · Jan 21, 2015

VrabelJr said:
The way this has been slowly leaked out to the media and the amount of misinformation that has been spread is embarrassing. It's a sign of the times, I guess. News happens in minutes, which means it's also profitable for fake news to happen in minutes. Sigh. Just conduct the entire ****ing investigation and get it over with already.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you deem as "misinformation" so far?

The Gr8est · Jan 21, 2015

kennyb said:
Best case scenario is the pats pumped them up by feel to slightly below spec say 12 psi and the refs just didn't bother checking the psi. Then 12 became 11 in the cold.

Maybe the refs just routinely blow that off. Maybe that's how Rodgers gets his balls overinflated. Maybe the refs figure a ball is a ball and just go by feel.

Worst case is they messed with the balls after giving them to the refs. I think that's unlikely.

Second worst case is they used hot air to circumvent the standard. Kind of Belichick thing to do.

Do the rules say you can't use hot air?

Joey007 · Jan 21, 2015

SyN65 said:
11 of 12 being deflated to 11 psi is pretty damning evidence. Info on the Colts balls needs to come out. If those are the correct psi than the Pats are ****ed. Suspension for Bill, lost draft picks, etc.

That's pretty narrow minded logic right there.

BradyBranch39 · Jan 21, 2015

patsfan13 said:
When brought back to room temp the PSI would increase. Unless there was a leak which doesn't seem to be the case. It is likely they were submitted at 11 PSI and allowed by the refs.

But the Colts noticed them being low on the sideline-- and I doubt they magically go right back immediately when brought inside for weighing.

SVN · Jan 21, 2015

They will blame on the equipment manager . BB will deny any knowledge if that is the case and I still doubht he is worried about it during the middle of the AFCCG but league wont spare him.

FirstAndGoal · Jan 21, 2015

why do people keep saying the weather "deflated" the balls? It's pretty simple. If the temp goes down, so does pressure. If you have a ball and you bring the temp back up, the pressure increases. There is no loss of air assuming that the ball is not defective.

I'm going to assume that the NFL is smart enough to measure the pressure in the same conditions that it originally did but please, there is no loss of air due to the cold... it's only the pressure that changes.

Deus Irae · Jan 21, 2015

Todd Bradley said:
Right, I'm silly and childish because my opinion differs from yours.

No. Your opinion was silly and childish because it was silly and childish.

Todd Bradley said:
And yes, that my worry, I deliberately have set out a campaign tonight to get as many people as I can to agree with my post, your right, I asked everyone to agree with me....

I'm starting to think you're Mike Reiss....

And here, you clearly have a comprehension issue. I never stated you had a campaign. I noted that I didn't give a damn about people not agreeing with me. Big difference.

BadMoFo · Jan 21, 2015

Any time a scandal breaks involving the Pats, we should just put money on it being true.

festy1986 · Jan 21, 2015

upstater1 said:
Say the Patriots had the ballboy deflate the balls. The rule book stipulates what the penalty is. $25k. And, when the Vikings and Titans were caught manipulating the balls on the sidelines this season, the NFL did not penalize them. Given those 2 facts, why are people talking about draft picks?

is this actually true? If so, case effing closed.

The nfl would have a lawsuit on their hands in a blink of an eye if caught handling the same punishment differently.

You know, the same way Peterson and Ray rice filed lawsuits.

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