Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

karguy85 said:

What does that even mean?

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It's provocative. It gets the people going.

FirstAndGoal said:

Use Gay-Lussac's law

P1T2=P2T1 where P is pressure and is Temp (in Kelvin)

P1 = 12.5
T1 = 70 degrees or 294 kelvin
P2 = X
T2 = 45 degrees or 280 kelvin

12.5 x 280 = P2 x 294
or
(12.5 x 280) / 294 = P2 = ~11.777 psi

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ZOMG, LawsOfPhysicsGate

I free myself of all your battered wife syndrome.

Today I watched the media trot out Aaron Rodgers to tell everybody this is ridiculous, and I saw Steven A Smith on ESPN's First Take tell America the truth about Crygate and set Bettis straight on how we were overly punished for a misdemeanor.

History will go our way. Would be a shame if Pats fans were the last to go with it.

Gronk said:

The most interesting thing to see will actually be the league's response should they discover that nothing untoward did happen (and my gut reaction is that this "scandal" is BS and at worst NE had the balls at 12.5), because it does need to make a strong statement against baseless claims against opponents. Plus the NFL would then have to turn around and hand the league MVP award to A-Aron Rodgers who is on record saying he likes the ball with more air - as much as (gasp!) 14(!!) psi.

To this point this isn't even based on "we found an underinflated ball (or balls) below the minimum requirement" - It's just that someone thinks at least one ball had less air than others usually do. Maybe. And maybe that's below the 12.5 number. It's insane.

If they find that the Patriots violated some rule here, I think the punishment should simply be to give Indy's 2nd or 3rd round pick to NE. That prevents the Colts from trading the pick for a ****ty RB (positive for Colts). I would guess depending on their response or comments in the media regarding this several teams are being set up to have the game balls tested at multiple points during the game by BB next year while they get smoked on round 2 of the FU Road Show.

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The Rodgers comments are an interesting wrinkle. Because you clearly have an environment where these top QBs basically have a way they like the football to be. And you know the team is inflating and prepping the balls the way they want them, regardless of the leagues PSI thresholds.

So then the onus is on the refs to determine if they think a ball is too inflated or deflated and adjust them before the game and once the game starts all bets are off.

Rodgers indicates he likes them too high and if the refs don't deflate them great. So we could have a situation where Brady is the inverse, the Pats deflate the balls slightly and let the refs determine if they want to adjust them. So they could be offering up under-inflated balls all years and the refs simply ignore because they have better things to do and it's in the league's -- the PASSING LEAGUE'S -- best interest to let QBs use balls they are most comfortable with.

To me, it is much more likely the Pats are submitting underinflated balls knowing the refs will probably be too lazy to inflate a dozen balls before each game. And that frankly is not a violation of anything.

Well, the USA Today reported the NFL saying that the "review is underway" as of today.

I hope they get an answer out at least by the end of the week so we can just put this whole thing behind....

Here's another Indianapolis media jackass posing as a professional writer.

Doyel: Deflating ball beneath most; but this is the Pats | Indy Star



Note: Doyel needs a thesaurus; he uses the word 'cheat' fourteen times in one relatively short column.

BTW, anyone who wants to know who Jim Irsay ("the Conscience of the NFL") is need only view this one minute video:

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2014/10/17/jim-irsay-dui-arrest-video-released/17433323/

tombonneau said:

It's provocative. It gets the people going.

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Great reference

FirstAndGoal said:

Use Gay-Lussac's law

P1T2=P2T1 where P is pressure and T is Temp (in Kelvin)

P1 = 12.5
T1 = 70 degrees or 294 kelvin
P2 = X
T2 = 45 degrees or 280 kelvin

12.5 x 280 = P2 x 294
or
(12.5 x 280) / 294 = P2 = ~11.777 psi

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Boston College says this math is not possible. NOT POSSIBLE!

Ever get a low tire pressure warning in your car on a frigid day? BB DID IT!!! It's the only possible explanation. Temperature has no effect on air pressure. This is established fact.

FirstAndGoal said:

Use Gay-Lussac's law

P1T2=P2T1 where P is pressure and T is Temp (in Kelvin)

P1 = 12.5
T1 = 70 degrees or 294 kelvin
P2 = X
T2 = 45 degrees or 280 kelvin

12.5 x 280 = P2 x 294
or
(12.5 x 280) / 294 = P2 = ~11.777 psi

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Again, let me repeat a not-so-minor point.

Gay-Lussac's law requires the use of absolute pressures. The pressures listed here are gauge pressures—that is, the pressure above atmospheric pressure. When using Gay-Lussac's law you need to add 14.7 PSI to the listed pressures (that is, 12.5 PSI gauge = 27.2 PSI absolute).

SVN said:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/brady-said-in-2011-he-likes-deflated-footballs/

Via CBS Connecticut, Tom Brady told WEEI in Boston more than three years ago that he likes deflated footballs.

“[W]hen Gronk scores – it was like his eighth touchdown of the year – he spikes the ball and he deflates the ball,” Brady said in November 2011. “I love that, because I like the deflated ball. But I feel bad for that football, because he puts everything he can into those spikes.”

On that same radio station, Brady scoffed on Monday about the investigation regarding deflated footballs, calling the suggestion that the Patriots deliberately let air out of the balls “ridiculous.”

Coincidentally, tight end Rob Gronkowski posted on Twitter after the controversy emerged a photo of him spiking the ball with the caption, “Warning: Gronking may cause deflation.”​

unbelievable.

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Deus Irae said:

Let's not go all Doyel/Rosenberg, now...



http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-.../4709543/gronkowski-td-spikes-will-get-bigger

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Okay, let's (unlike Florio) look at the context.

Did Brady ever say that he prefers to pass an under-inflated ball?

No.

Per the espn article, it's all about how he likes to see Gronk score a touchdown, and Gronk's touchdown celebration.



Florio took a few words, took them literally, and came up with a headline that implied that Brady preferred to play/pass under-inflated footballs. If one looks at the full quote, it is clear that is not what Brady was saying.

Florio found something that was click-bait material, and ran with it - truth be damned.


It reminds me of an interview and the subsequent headlines from the 2009 training camp. Brady was coming off a season on IR and the subsequent knee rehab. Keep in mind that he has never been known for his speed or athleticism. A reporter asked him something about his being able to run, and Brady said something to the effect 'I still can't run, I still can't jump' - completely tongue in cheek, with a smile on his face.

One outlet simply saw the transcription of the interview, and took it literally. 'Brady can't run!', his rehab is behind schedule, in jeopardy of missing the start of the season', etc. Once one outlet ran that story, every other one - not wanting to be scooped - reported the same thing. that was quickly followed by op-ed pieces based on the report.

Point is, context is everything. I am not seeing anything in the original espn article that would reasonably cause me to believe that Brady is stating that he prefers to throw under inflated footballs. He was simply commenting on the team scoring a touchdown (and more specifically, the touchdown celebration) being a positive event.

sb1 said:

@JimIrsay: Talk of days,of how they sit and wait.all will be revealed

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Stoner haiku?

ctpatsfan77 said:

Again, let me repeat a not-so-minor point.

Gay-Lussac's law requires the use of absolute pressures. The pressures listed here are gauge pressures—that is, the pressure above atmospheric pressure. When using Gay-Lussac's law you need to add 14.7 PSI to the listed pressures (that is, 12.5 PSI gauge = 27.2 PSI absolute).

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Yes, I stand corrected. I'm afraid that's the difference between classroom and real life.

I guess the NFL needs some PhD in Physics to consult on this matter based on the specific conditions during the game and the effects on the football.

I guess the rotation of the Earth at the specific time of game is in play as well.

shmessy said:

God Bless Barstool with an EPIC almost realtime takedown of this clown within minutes of the tweet:


http://boston.barstoolsports.com/ra...y-going-real-emocryptic-on-twitter-right-now/


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I really wonder how this clown (Irsay) even got enough money to buy a football team? He comes off like holding a steady job as a french fry cook would be a challenge.

jmt57 said:

Okay, let's (unlike Florio) look at the context.

Did Brady ever say that he prefers to pass an under-inflated ball?

No.

Per the espn article, it's all about how he likes to see Gronk score a touchdown, and Gronk's touchdown celebration.

"I didn’t see it. I mean, he spikes it every time he scores, so I don’t know if that’s flagrant or what," Brady said during his weekly call to Boston sports radio WEEI on Monday. Asked if he spikes the ball after a (rare) rushing touchdown, Brady added: "Yeah, which happens like once every three years. But when Gronk scores -- it was like his eighth touchdown of the year -- he spikes the ball and he deflates the ball. I love that, because I like the deflated ball. But I feel bad for that football, because he puts everything he can into those spikes."​

Florio took a few words, took them literally, and came up with a headline that implied that Brady preferred to play/pass under-inflated footballs. If one looks at the full quote, it is clear that is not what Brady was saying.

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No, it's not at all clear that it is not what Brady was saying. That's the point. There's no need to take something and twist it. Brady liking a more deflated football doesn't change the innocence, or guilt, of the Patriots, so why to pull a Florio/Rosenberg?

Peachhead said:

I really wonder how this clown (Irsay) even got enough money to buy a football team? He comes off like holding a steady job as a french fry cook would be a challenge.

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He inherited the team from his father.

What the hell is this crap now? Now Brady is getting thrown under the bus? I GIVE UP. THIS IS JUST HOPELESS.

Y'know, I just remembered. A couple weekends back, I had to have this event for my job. We had some big balloons that we had to blow up. After the event we popped most of them, but I took one home with me because I figured the 5 year old at home would have fun with it.

It was freshly inflated to the max about 6 hours earlier, but let me tell you, as soon as I walked outside into the sub 30 degree temperature, that bastard shrank so much I thought it had popped! There was quite significant "shrinkage" as our friend Costazna can explain to us... Once I got in the car and things got up to temp again, it reinflated normally.

Now, I realize I'm dealing with helium and not just oxygen, and I also realize a foil balloon is not nearly the same material as a pigskin, but I'll be damned if anyone tells me that temperature CANNOT lower air pressure to a noticeable level.

A story that means nothing has become so ridiculous that even hispanic sport channels were they care more about soccer and baseball and rarely football, accuse us of cheating WTF!!!