Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

terabthia2 said:

In all of this, I just thought of something: If someone were to deflate a football for competitive advantage,then WHAT pray tell, IS the advantage that someone would get from it???? All I've read so far is that a deflated football is much harder to throw than an overinflated or correctly inflated one. You don't get a competitive advantage, you get a competitive DISadvantage! So with that in mind...

WHY ON EARTH would you even do that, hypothetically, if you were seeking a competitive advantage?

Have any of these media geniuses even asked this question?

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that would be sports journalism

this isnt


this is a witch hunt to burn the Patriots.

SVN said:

well wilbon got what he wanted...more airtime to promote


Sadly most of our media hates our team enough to not hard on these clowns.

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Michael Wilbon with Dennis & Callahan? That sheer amount of douchbaggery in that room could create a critical mass that turns into a black hole that sucks the entire WEEI studio into it.

terabthia2 said:

Michael Wilbon with Dennis & Callahan? That sheer amount of douchbaggery in that room could create a critical mass that turns into a black hole that sucks the entire WEEI studio into it.

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Normally I would agree. Those as#####s normally make my skin crawl, but they skewered Rosenberg pretty well this morning with Minihane actually accusing him of making up some of the stuff he wrote in his SI piece. I actually might tune in.

@JimIrsay: Talk of days,of how they sit and wait.all will be revealed

karguy85 said:

I just don't understand how this could be true. If the Patriots did manipulate the balls during the game, it seems like it would have to be systemic on the part of the Patriots.

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I don't care what comes out or what's admitted to (hopefully nothing), I won't believe it. Why not ? Like you said, too many people would have to be involved.

We know the balls are good as of Ref signoff. So something untoward would have to happen once in control of the Ball Attendants. Well they surely aren't permanent positions. How many have come and gone over the course of a few years and all you'd need is one to talk. Or one former disgruntled former WR. Or one former disgruntled QB. Or a coach. Etc.

Any conspiracy in which too many people would know and nothing is said about it just doesn't work for me and that's where we appear to be. If, say, Ernie Adams were the sole Ball Attendant all these years then I could see it. But not as is.

sb1 said:

@JimIrsay: Talk of days,of how they sit and wait.all will be revealed

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What does that even mean?

karguy85 said:

What does that even mean?

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He's moving through Kashmir beneath the summer moon.

Or something.

terabthia2 said:

Michael Wilbon with Dennis & Callahan? That sheer amount of douchbaggery in that room could create a critical mass that turns into a black hole that sucks the entire WEEI studio into it.

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Would that be a douchehole?

karguy85 said:

What does that even mean?

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It means Colts owner Jim Irsay is obviously feeling quite confident about the upcoming findings....I think.

Can someone answer this question?

If what they say is true, that the referee's on the field were told about this DURING half-time,

why didnt the referee's take the time to confiscate Patriots' footballs and check them for PSI limits? It does NOT take an awful long time to do this. If any are OVER/UNDER, they can write this down and re-inflate those footballs?

supafly said:

It means Colts owner Jim Irsay is obviously feeling quite confident about the upcoming findings....I think.

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Or he's been listening to Led Zepplin today. Still don't know what it means though.

zipster9 said:

Can someone answer this question?

If what they say is true, that the referee's on the field were told about this DURING half-time,

why didnt the referee's take the time to confiscate Patriots' footballs and check them for PSI limits? It does NOT take an awful long time to do this. If any are OVER/UNDER, they can write this down and re-inflate those footballs?

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It would make sense to inflate them and not play the second half as is. Wouldn't it.

terabthia2 said:

He's moving through Kashmir beneath the summer moon.

Or something.

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Or he didn't quite figure out the Haiku thing?

karguy85 said:

What does that even mean?

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It means I know how paranoid Pats fans and reporters can be, so I'm gonna screw with them.

sb1 said:

@JimIrsay: Talk of days,of how they sit and wait.all will be revealed

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God Bless Barstool with an EPIC almost realtime takedown of this clown within minutes of the tweet:


http://boston.barstoolsports.com/ra...y-going-real-emocryptic-on-twitter-right-now/


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reflexblue said:

Trolling again are we? i have no time for trolls.

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I wasn't trolling, at all. When you split that hair, you're doing exactly what they're doing.

BelichickFan said:

Or he's been listening to Led Zepplin today. Still don't know what it means though.

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From Rock Genius. Not helpful at all...

It is unclear who the elders Plant is referring to are, and what they are waiting for, but it seems to be some kind of spiritual or dreamlike state in which he saw them.

If the elders are Biblical figures in heaven, or elves and the Valar in the Tolkien mythos, the days where all will be revealed could refer to the end of time.

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http://genius.com/2409839/Led-zeppe...h-they-sit-and-wait-when-all-will-be-revealed

Another aspect to the debate that I have yet to hear broached:

We now know that Aaron Rodgers prefers over-inflated balls, evidently because it helps him in the downfield passing game (presumably in good weather conditions). So can we assume (for the sake of argument) that his footballs are maintained @ ~ 14 psi? And can we agree that Andrew Luck would be considered to have a similar (downfield, longer passing) game to Aaron's? So would it be reasonable to assume that his footballs are also maintained at ~ 14 psi?? In contrast to the above, we've never known Tom to be the prototypical "long bomb" passer, preferring the intermediate game. So I suppose it's fair to speculate that he'd be more comfortable with a ball at a lesser psi...maybe @ 12.5 psi, or dare I say a smidgeon lower? Furthermore, I could easily see how the lesser inflated ball would allow for a better grip, whether for throwing (accuracy) or running (less prone to fumbling). And we also know (see Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Aaron, etc.) that these same preferences are maintained for all footballs used thoughout the season, whether that be in practice or actual games.

Bottom line: could a player such as D'Quell Jackson (and the rest of the Colts organization, for that matter) be more familiar with "seeing" 14 psi footballs throughout a long season of practices and games...such that the first time any of them "experienced" a 12.5 psi ball, which could only be experienced through the act of an interception (against a team like the Patriots, in those specific environmental conditions), they naturally thought it was "under-inflated"???

Has anyone even bothered to ask the simple question: What does a football at 14 psi feel like vs a football at 12.5 psi??

Note: Brady only threw 9 interceptions over the course of the regular season, and 2 of those were against the Colts (both by Mike Adams, a veteran DB).

Not trying to be negative, so apologies--but my deepest concern is that one of two scenarios will play out:

1) (more likely in my opinion)---The NFL will find that no clear cut evidence exists of the team doing anything wrong, however will still adhere to the 25,000 fine due to it being "the responsibility of the home team to provide balls that are inflated to the proper size."

The media headlines will read "NFL finds Patriots guilty, fines them 25, 000."

Remember that Goodell stated that spygate did not give us a competitive advantage, but who outside of N.England remembers anything close to that? No one.


2) (less likely in my opinion)---The NFL finds us guilty, takes away a mid round draft pick, and fines both the team and Belichick. Horrible scenario.

If Brady likes them at 12.5 and they are filled and tested at 70 degrees then what happens to the psi at 45 degrees? It's by definition too low. But by how much.