Tapes???

Please forgive me for starting this thread.....but I have to get this off my chest.

Why do the haters / media still say "We still don't know what was on those tapes.....Goodell had them destroyed."

Did I dream that they ran one of the tapes for about 20 minutes on Fox (Jay Glazer had copy) the week that followed the Jets game?

I remember thinking as the camera focused on the opposing teams sidelines......that they couldn't possibly be trying to decipher the signals that sometimes involved as many as three coaches.

One of my good friends that use to coach college ball was 100% sure the coaches signaling just happened to be in the same location as the packages running on and off the field. Matt Walsh was bouncing between the sideline, scoreboard, and huddle. Which would tell ya they were simply trying to study down and distance tendencies......and what packages they like to run.

I'm just surprised no former coach has come out and explained what the taping really provided.

I know they showed those tape back in 07. Someone please tell me I didn't dream it

Enough already. Take the tinfoil hat off. Geez.

But they didn't show all the tapes from other teams' walkthroughs and locker rooms!

I believe that those outside of Patriot Nation feel that Goodell somehow did us a big favor, showing bias by the choice to destroy the tapes.

In other words, there are 2 groups--one who believes that Goodell screwed us (Pats fans), and the other that believes that Goodell somehow did us a huge favor by destroying the tapes.

I suppose their stance is that the destruction of the tapes somehow prevented anyone else from seeing the insanely damaging evidence (in their eyes), which doesn't really make much sense to me, but to each their own I suppose.

Go to Jerry Thorntons column, he has a clip, they showed it and it was mostly cheerleaders

They say these things because Kraft never took the podium and **** on the media. That's why we'll hear about that, and probably deflategate, for a long time to come.

You are correct. FOX Sports pre-game show ran several minutes from that tape, taken on the JEST sidelines, and given to Goodell.

How, you might ask, would FOX Sports be able to obtain a copy of hat tape? Wasn't it locked away in Goodell's office safe? Funny story, that. It seems that Goodell's wife, Jane Skinner, was a FOX anchor at that time, which brings up all sorts of interesting speculation. Seems the "story" on that end disappeared pretty damned quickly after that, and no one has ever been held to task, let alone adequately explain, just HOW FOX Sports got ahold of a copy of that tape.

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Nordberg said:

Please forgive me for starting this thread.....but I have to get this off my chest.

Why do the haters / media still say "We still don't know what was on those tapes.....Goodell had them destroyed."

Did I dream that they ran one of the tapes for about 20 minutes on Fox (Jay Glazer had copy) the week that followed the Jets game?

I remember thinking as the camera focused on the opposing teams sidelines......that they couldn't possibly be trying to decipher the signals that sometimes involved as many as three coaches.

One of my good friends that use to coach college ball was 100% sure the coaches signaling just happened to be in the same location as the packages running on and off the field. Matt Walsh was bouncing between the sideline, scoreboard, and huddle. Which would tell ya they were simply trying to study down and distance tendencies......and what packages they like to run.

I'm just surprised no former coach has come out and explained what the taping really provided.

I know they showed those tape back in 07. Someone please tell me I didn't dream it

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Complex, situations like this need to be explained, re-explained and explained again. In this blitz media age, that's what people see. Thats what resonates- unfortunately.

The issue is that mediots don't have the time to analyze, time to dissect or comprehension skills to provide the background depth to their audience-thus providing zero value. When they don't, they default to sensationalism or whatever story gives their personal brand the day of light in a crowded "me first to the story" market.

No one wants to hear the coaches. Its too boring. More people want to hear how the big , bad wolf saw his demise.

BadMoFo said:

Enough already. Take the tinfoil hat off. Geez.

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Not sure what you mean by that? I was bagging on the tin foil hat people

KontradictioN said:

They say these things because Kraft never took the podium and **** on the media. That's why we'll hear about that, and probably deflategate, for a long time to come.

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This.

They showed the tape during the press conference. Fox also showed the tape, as Glazer had gotten a copy.

And Glazer still has his copy, and shows it to people at parties.

They showed the tapes, Glazer showed them, and they played on a loop at the Goodell press conference. I don't know why people keep saying that. The tapes showed exactly what they said they showed, which is exactly what BB said was on them, which was taped by a guy wearing Patriots blue holding a camera the size of a bazooka. Neither the Patriots or NFL made any attempt to cover up that they filmed on the sideline, or what those tapes showed.

Let's face it, they have a narrative that there was a secret agent hiding in the third row with an invisible camera feeding BB the plays through his spy watch, and when Mangina complained the guy threw down a smoke grenade and disappeared into the secret tunnels made by Goodell. As we all know, in this day and age everyone is supposed to get a trophy, and some fans didn't get theirs, and it's unfair!

Yes, the tapes clearly revealed the Patriots did EXACTLY what they said did, which is film the opponents coaches hand signals during the game. The fact was never once disputed or denied by Belichick, who told the NFL exactly what he was doing from the beginning.

Belichick was told to turn over all of the other tapes of the same nature that showed the EXACT same thing, which were hand signals from opposing team coaches. He complied, giving the office all of those tapes as well.

The Never-Die-Spygaters have some paranoid misconception that the NFL raided his office and found about a zillion other tapes that included taped practices, cheat glasses, ransom notes, etc. etc. and then destroyed that evidence without telling anyone what was on them.

The fact is the NFL was transparent about the investigation and so were the Patriots. It was shown to the public exactly what the tapes contained, albeit from just one game. Belichick claimed he misinterpreted a rule, which seems quite unlikely, but nonetheless, he easily could have just said he had no other tapes. The NFL destroyed those tapes considering they had already punished the Patriots.

The NFL also concluded that the Patriots gained no competitive advantage. That portion of the NFL's findings are met with disdain, suspicion, and outright anger, while the remainder of the NFL's findings are all conveniently accepted as gospel and fact.

Just to be transparent, I never thought the NFL was in the wrong that much. I thought the Patriots did deserve punishment. I am just disappointed that the league did very little to explain why the tapes did not in fact lead to a competitive advantage (nor acknowledge that other teams were also suspected of such practices), and the media did much, much, much less to actually educate the average NFL fan that this was a rules violation and not a giant "con" that gave the Patriots an advantage. And I am frequently more disappointed when people on the inside, such as bitter former players and coaches, particularly from the Steelers and Ravens, continue to gripe about it and call the Patriots cheaters when they know it isn't the truth. Examples are when offensive players say the defense knew their plays (although signals go through a microphone.) Too many examples to name.

The notion that Goodell did us a favor is ironic. You are correct, Glazer did show portions of it and it was as innocuous as you remember it. Goodell destroying the tapes was one of the worst things to happen to the Pats in that fiasco - it did nothing but hide the innocuous nature of the tapes and instead give credence to the tin foil folks.

I think his reasoning was doing it so the material could not be used further, but it's rather silly in a digital age to destroy tapes.

I am sure Goodell meant no harm to the Patriots at the time, I just think the guy isn't very bright and never should've been forced into a role that requires thinking of any kind.

KontradictioN said:

They say these things because Kraft never took the podium and **** on the media. That's why we'll hear about that, and probably deflategate, for a long time to come.

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This. Well said my brother!

I just don't get why every time I read a spygate article is always says that the tapes were burned and we will never know what was on them. That's ********.....

My guess is the tapes that were destroyed had exactly the same footage on them as the one that ran on fox back in 07.

And the patriots went 18-0 that same season.

The only people who bring up spygate are jet fans because for them what's more interesting. Blaming other teams for cheating for their success or looking at geno smith trying not to throw a interception?

Seahawxx said:

And the patriots went 18-0 that same season.

The only people who bring up spygate are jet fans because for them what's more interesting. Blaming other teams for cheating for their success or looking at geno smith trying not to throw a interception?

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Nope, sorry. It's brought up by fans of every single other team in the NFL. Unfortunately.

Next thing you know, the spygate commandoes will be claiming that Belichick had a secret bunker built under Gillette stadium where he & Kraft keep Jimmy Hoffa's remains, the Roswell crash debris, and the dismantled sets that Stanley Kubrick used to film the fake moon landings for NASA........

These guys who keep pushing that whole "Patriots cheated" mantra are exactly the type of people who would believe that stuff.

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Next thing you know, the spygate commandoes will be claiming that Belichick had a secret bunker built under Gillette stadium where he & Kraft keep Jimmy Hoffa's remains, the Roswell crash debris, and the dismantled sets that Stanley Kubrick used to film the fake moon landings for NASA........

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Wait...I thought we weren't supposed to talk about that...