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Mr Kraft, The Time has Come To Ask: Whose Side Are You On?


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- Any claim that casts one's integrity into doubt has to be dealt with. Especially by the owner of such a popular and successful franchise, who has already been smeared in the past.

The more Bob Kraft makes of this story, the more seriously it will be taken. Guys like that idiot at SI and Wilbon, and every other pointless talking head want NOTHING more than Bob Kraft to refute them. That is just pageviews, channel viewership, and article bylines in the bank for them.

You need to realize that people are going to take shots, no matter what, all the time. Bob Kraft, BB, and TB cannot respond to everyone that calls them a cheater, if for no other reason than there are only 24 hours in a day.

Kraft is doing exactly what he should, wait for the NFL to finish up, find the Pats did nothing wrong, and then let every one of those writers look ridiculous for calling for the pats to have their AFC championship vacated because someone thought a ball felt light.

Until then, give this situation the attention it deserves: none.
 
You don't know that handling 2007 differently would have worked out better.
How could it be worse. The Patriots lost a first round pick, paid huge fines and had their reputation ruined over the placement of a camera in the wrong place. The penalties were far more excessive than any doled out for real cheating in the manipulation of the cap done by the Broncos and 49ers. Moreover baseless rumors such as the socalled taping of practices have become fact in the mind of the public. All because the incompetent POS commissioner wanted to prove to the NY media how tough he was and Ol' Get along Bob didn't have the guts to stand up tell the world that every team did the same thing and they had the tapes to prove it. Now what he does really doesn't matter because the damage is done. Frankly he is running around with this bimbo young enough to be his granddaughter. Thank goodness Myra isn't around to see embarrassment.
 
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How could it be worse.


Amen, brutha. 5 of us have already asked the same question in this thread and have yet to receive an answer.

When Andy wrote "You don't know that handling 2007 differently would have worked out better." all I could think of was "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the theatre tonight?".

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I'm getting flashbacks to old posts of mine...

The team should have appealed the moment that asinine ruling was handed down. By not doing so, the Patriots accepted the punishment. The team was just about as idiotic as could be with regards to how this was handled. Whoever recommended the strategy they used should be flogged on a daily basis. It just goes to show that even the best people sometimes make monumentally stupid decisions.

We're not at that stage yet, thank goodness, but the memories remain. Right, Roger?

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According to Troy Vincent on NFL Live says the league expects to conclude the investigation in the next 2-3 days. There is no way they are going to let this linger into next week. They want it put to bed by Super Bow week.


Will they announce the results of the investigation at that time?
 
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"...can't ...admit you were wrong..." Jesus, that's rich coming from you. See ya, you dink (after all, you did say I'm acting like a little *****.). Finally, you want to know how the Colts will benefit? If Michael Wilbon and Greg Doyel get their stated way, the Patriots will be vacated from the Super Bowl and the Colts will go. Think that's ridiculous? Check the internet because that opinion is spreading like wildfire.
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, and has exactly a zero % chance of happening.
Still doesn't explain how the Colts speaking without having facts has helped them though, which is your claim.
 
According to Troy Vincent on NFL Live says the league expects to conclude the investigation in the next 2-3 days. There is no way they are going to let this linger into next week. They want it put to bed by Super Bow week.

Probalby announce it Friday afternoon, where all bad PR releases are made.
 
Amen, brutha. 5 of us have already asked the same question in this thread and have yet to receive an answer.

When Andy wrote "You don't know that handling 2007 differently would have worked out better." all I could think of was "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the theatre tonight?".

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I'm not sure a viewpoint of 'we don't if that would have helped' requires a response to 'how could it have hurt'. I guess it would depend on what he did.
The suggestions here are that he should have spewed venom in the media. I would assume that could have resulted in a more severe penalty. (At the time people were talking about a BB suspension)
If there is something else you wanted him to do, let me know and I will guess at what damage could have been done, if thats what you want.

I'm just saying to castigate him for his way of handling must take into account you have no way of knowing if your way would have worked out better. Thats all.
 
The suggestions here are that he should have spewed venom in the media.

Absolutely not by me. And that has been pointed out clearly on several occasions, .

Please don't answer me and my points by putting other posters' words in my mouth.

I have clearly written (and have corrected Robo on several occasions here) that "publicly" defending the franchise means nothing. He should not allow an investigation to go on and its findings not be made public until well after the Super Bowl.

Evidently, Troy Vincent says the league will conclude its investigation within 2-3 days. Notice he did not say "and publish the findings" at that time.

Kraft's obligation to his franchise and its fans is push the league into publishing those findings once they have them - - and to not let the New England Patriots franchise, players and loyal fans unnecessarily have to waste one more minute on it.

I could care less about him going all F. Lee Bailey at some press conference.
 
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He made it seem pretty clear the league wants to wrap it up quickly, but didn't say specifically that the decision will be handed down.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...vestigation-to-be-concluded-in-next-2-3-days/

Well, that's the rub. Who cares whether the league claims it has it all wrapped up?

What good would that do? In fact, that would be even worse in the eyes of the public if they are publicly claiming that they are sitting on the truth until they deem it the right time to publish it.

If this isn't put to bed by the weekend, enjoy Media Day next Tuesday. The over/under line of press geeks and clowns handing deflated footballs to Patriots players up on platforms is 23.5.

And, btw, the players are contractually obligated by the league to sit there and take that.
 
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Sorry about the previous post andy, couldn't resist it.
It was funny. I'll try to respond with my opinion on each point.

btw, I am on the side of waiting for a few days until the facts come out and not react blindly. But then, I would not like to stretch it for weeks.

Here are a few thoughts on why and how this could be handled either by Mr. Kraft or the Pats FO.

- Any claim that casts one's integrity into doubt has to be dealt with. Especially by the owner of such a popular and successful franchise, who has already been smeared in the past.
But how would he do that? The NFL hasn't even implied wrongdoing.
I can't imagine going on an internet crusade against the media would be wise.

- I read somewhere that saying nothing may be noble but fatal in public relations. Can't agree more in this case given that even the national media are reporting it as if we just committed murder.
Of course he shouldn't say nothing, but I don't know what he could say that would be meaningful TODAY. Again, I think its hard to respond when the league hasn't even spoken.

- in this age of internet and instant communication, why not give out the facts to clear public misconception and then a simple rebuttal (I know, it is not our duty, but it is our name that is being sullient by ignorant morons in the media)?
I think in due time that will happen. I think giving out facts only adds to the rhetoric. Whatever he says will create a different conspiracy theory to discuss. Speaking before the league will probably lead to "Kraft paid them off" cries.

So, what can Mr. Kraft do?

- as some suggested, have a PR person (But NOT the guys who worked on camera-gate in 2007!) issue a pointed rebuttal.
There is nothing to rebut. He hasn't been accused of anything. You have to wait until the league says something is wrong before you rebut. I don't think its a good idea to go and rebut articles, tweets and sports talk rumors.

- Call Goodell and demand that he address the issue right away instead of allowing it to snowball and disract everyone next week.
I posted somewhere else a long list of the potential things that have to be done to investigate. It hasn't even been 48 hours. I don't think it is taking too long, considering the league has been accused of rushing to judgment before.

- leak the above to the press. :D
That may be what happened with Curran.

- if BB is confident that there is nothing to be questioned in the team's process/methods with respect to this issue, have - or HIRE - a savy media footbal person to hold a PC and address the questions. Humor and a positive presentation will go a long way in muting this nonsense and hopefully put us back on a positive limelight. (this will not work for the Pats because BB and Brady are the face of this franchie; maybe have Brady do the PC with his usual charm?)
What questions? They have not been accused of anything. At this point the league is investigating a football that the Colts say may have been under inflated. Why would you jump in front of a camera to say you didn't do it, before anyone (of import) says you did.

If above does not work, just win the SB a few more times baby. :)

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I think that all of these things would be great ideas if the league had actually made any comments that suggest the Patriots have done anything wrong. But that has not happened. I see no value in holding a press conference to tell people you didn't do something that you aren't accused of by anyone with facts on the matter. Imagine Bob Kraft getting asked questions about ball procedures, and details that he couldn't possibly know the answer to. His lack of knowledge would make it look like he is covering things up. I could think of half a dozen questions to ask that Kraft would have no way of knowing the answer to, and the media will be trying to make him look bad.

In a couple of days this will all be over, and the league will say nothing happened.
No need to feed the circus.
 
Absolutely not by me. And that has been pointed out clearly on several occasions, .

Please don't answer me and my points by putting other posters' words in my mouth.

I have clearly written (and have corrected Robo on several occasions here) that "publicly" defending the franchise means nothing. He should not allow an investigation to go on and its findings not be made public until well after the Super Bowl.

I could care less about him going all F. Lee Bailey at some press conference.
I'm sorry if I am not an expert on your writings on a message board. :rolleyes:
The topic here was Kraft making a public statement, and my comment was making a public statement without the facts is usually a bad idea.
You responded with 'how did that work out in 2007' (going from memory here, don't blow a gasket if I dont have it exactly right, I'm not going back through this boondoggle of thread)
So naturally I assumed we were still talking about the same topic.
So I am confused what you are trying to say.

If you are now saying he should demand the investigation to end before the SB, the league has said it should.
I'm confused at what your complaint is now.
 
He made it seem pretty clear the league wants to wrap it up quickly, but didn't say specifically that the decision will be handed down.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...vestigation-to-be-concluded-in-next-2-3-days/
I still think it's funny we're 48 hours in and they think it will need another 2-3 days. Let's see, list of things to do: Interview ref and ball boy.....and....that's it
I can see the Commissioner- "Hey, you guys do that one thing to complete the investigation yet?"

"No boss, not yet"

Commissioner: "Well it's been two days, how long will it take for you to do that one thing? Here, I'll let you borrow my phone and you can do the interview right now on FaceTime."

"Yeah.... We're gonna need another two to three days to do that. We're sorta busy with shark week reruns"
 
Jonathan, get Monty Beisel on the phone ASAP!!
 
Andy
If you think this is going away, you are sorely mistaken. this will become part of lies becoming facts like the tape of practice. As for Kraft looking foolish, he doesn't need any questions about balls, all he needs to do is show up with his granddaughter aged girlfriend.
 
Pats fans are WAY too impatient for the difficult ball deflation investigation to finish.

Think for a minute.

Right now, Goodell's league office braintrust (sic) is fully consumed with their prior massive investigation into Woody Johnson's self stated tampering with Revis. No bandwidth left for PressureGate.
 
It makes a tremendous difference to the point I brought it up in response to, which was the league is biased against us and is out to get us.

I'm sure I'm not the first person to ask you this by a long shot but...

Why on earth do you spend so much time with post after post after post arguing every little thing to death?

Just curious. I'm not attacking you. Seriously.
 
The following rant by a long-time journalist in the nation's biggest sport channel is one of the reasons Mr. Kraft. as the owner of a fantastic and popular team (that was smeared by allegations and zero facts a few years back), should, IMO, give a strong statement.

"“The Patriots franchise is on probation as far as I’m concerned, from Spygate,” Wilbon said on Monday’s show, according to Boston.com. “If you’re a cheater, and you’re a multiple time cheater, I would say to the New England Patriots, ‘You know what we’re going to do? If this is found to be true, like today, tomorrow, the next 72 hours, the next three days, you know what? You’re forfeiting your spot in the Super Bowl. We’re vacating it. Get out! You’re a cheater, you’re a lying franchise.'”

Source: http://nesn.com/2015/01/michael-wil...ose-super-bowl-spot-if-guilty-in-deflategate/

The last line above summarizes both the rabid howls of the haters and the suspicion of many non-Pats fans.

Certainly understand if Mr. Kraft wants to wait a day or two to see if the league gets its act together, but beyond that is sheer folly to allow such an open rape of our name and reputation.

So just who is this Michael Wilbon ("long time journalist"...OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! I'm SO unworthy!!!!!!) a-hole and what freaking planet does he live on??
 
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