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Just two questions now. Was it deflated and why. And a third, if it was noticeably deflated did the officials pump up the rest of our balls ? Presumably not so I can only assume the balls weren't that clearly deflated.

Remember, there's only a small range where you can deflate a football without it becoming obvious (someone noted here earlier that if you pull it down to 10 PSI gauge pressure*, you can see it deform when it's being held).

*Again, the actual pressure inside the football is the 12.5–13.5 PSI plus one atmosphere of pressure, or about 28 PSI total.
 
Well the timeline is defined :

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...ell-jackson-interception-colts-notifying-nfl/

According to Newsday, it all started following Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson’s interception of Tom Brady in the second quarter. Jackson gave the ball to a member of the Colts’ equipment staff who thought the ball was under-inflated. The staff member then told coach Chuck Pagano.

Colts general manager Ryan Grigson, who was sitting in the press box at Gillette Stadium, was then notified and he contacted NFL director of football operations Mike Kensil. Kensil then notified the officials on the field at halftime. The Patriots went onto score 21 third quarter points on their way to their 38-point romp.

Just two questions now. Was it deflated and why. And a third, if it was noticeably deflated did the officials pump up the rest of our balls ? Presumably not so I can only assume the balls weren't that clearly deflated.

I knew that interception would come back to the bite the Pats!
 
Well the timeline is defined :

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...ell-jackson-interception-colts-notifying-nfl/

According to Newsday, it all started following Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson’s interception of Tom Brady in the second quarter. Jackson gave the ball to a member of the Colts’ equipment staff who thought the ball was under-inflated. The staff member then told coach Chuck Pagano.

Colts general manager Ryan Grigson, who was sitting in the press box at Gillette Stadium, was then notified and he contacted NFL director of football operations Mike Kensil. Kensil then notified the officials on the field at halftime. The Patriots went onto score 21 third quarter points on their way to their 38-point romp.

Just two questions now. Was it deflated and why. And a third, if it was noticeably deflated did the officials pump up the rest of our balls ? Presumably not so I can only assume the balls weren't that clearly deflated.
So the pats were unstoppable after the balls were pumped up to the right pressure.

Kind of ironic.

They need to interview someone from MIT to explain pv=nrt.

It's not the temp difference between kickoff and measure point. It's the difference between when and where it was pumped up and measure point. Water saturation in air also would tend to lower pressure.
 
Also it would explain "multiple balls" as they'd all suffer from the dreaded pv=nrt phenominon.
 
My father understands this about the pressure the material of the ball the weather change environment change all that.
Why can't the effing Media, I wish we would of put itching powder In their gear.
JockGate.
 
This is my timeline as best I as can put it together.

http://www.wcvb.com/sports/nfl-inve...ayer-thought-ball-was-under-inflated/30798932

Sources tell SportsCenter 5's Mike Lynch that D'Qwell Jackson, of the Indianapolis Colts, intercepted a pass before the end of the first half of the AFC Championship game against the New England Patriots Sunday night and told his equipment manager that the ball felt under-inflated, leading to the so-called 'deflategate' controversy.

According to sources, the equipment manager then informed the Colts' head coach, Chuck Pagano, who then informed the team's general manager, Ryan Grigson.

Grigson then called the National Football League's director of field operations, who then called the locker room and spoke with the officials on the field at halftime.

During the first play coming back from halftime, there was a delay to the game while official changed the football being used on the field.

Sources told Lynch that several footballs were taken out of play during the game Sunday night, but that's not unusual and there have been times in previous games that officials have changed footballs during play due to factors such as air temperature changed that cause the ball to over or under inflate.​


So the Colts intercept Brady on an under thrown pass and immediate jump to the conclusion that the Patriots were intentionally under inflating their footballs - obviously in an attempt to make it easier for them to throw interceptions.

The Colts then call the NFL during the game and file a complaint.

After the Colts lose 45-7, Bob Kravitz talked to his source and decides to break the news that the Superbowl bound Patriots were once again being investigated by the NFL for cheating... again.

The next day Kravtiz even defends his decision to break this as he puts it, "outlandish" story as being entirely unmotivated by sour grapes. He states that he chose to run with it, mainly because this source has never steered him wrong before.

Bob Kravitz said:
“I was told by an NFL source that the league was looking into — or going to look into — the possibility that the Patriots deflated the footballs,” Kravitz told WEEI on Monday morning. “I thought it was outlandish, but this particular source has never steered me wrong before.”

We are now being informed here, though I cannot confirm it, that Mike Lynch is reporting that Bob Kravitz' source is none other than Jim Irsay himself.

Oddly enough, this is what Bob Kravitz himself had to say about Jim Irsay's level of honesty.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sport...say-fighting-for-his-life-needs-help/6523925/

Bob Kravtiz said:
I asked him two months ago about his weight loss, which has brought him from 235 pounds to 165, and he insisted the doctors wanted him to lose weight to keep the strain off his troublesome back and hip.

I suspected otherwise.

I guess billionaire drug addicts get a honesty pass from Bob Kravitz - as long as they only lie to him about the physically exhaustive extent of their drug use.

Coincidentally, Mr. Kravitz had this to say about the reasons he chose not to write a story about an NFL owner being a drug addict - he didn't have any actual proof, just suspicions.

Bob Kravtiz who addresses himself here in the Third Person as is his wont to do said:
So why didn't you write it?

That's a fair question. But it's much like the baseball players during the steroid era. Suspicions cannot be the basis for news stories. My feeling all along has been, "Unless he gets arrested for drugs, or acts erratically in a public setting while obviously under the influence, it will remain nothing more than an educated guess."

Now he's been arrested.

The game has changed.

But one under-inflated football and one drug addicts exaggeration later and it becomes a BREAKING story.

Gotcha, Bob.
 
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So the pats were unstoppable after the balls were pumped up to the right pressure.
No-one has said they were pumped up. To our knowledge the game went on with the balls as is.

After the Colts' complaint, the NFL had no choice but to take a ball for examination. Hopefully it ends there. If the refs thought the balls were under inflated, surely they would have tested the pressure and added air if necessary. If they were under inflated I don't see how it could have happened given the facts we know about the control of the ball, the tests, the signatures.
 
No-one has said they were pumped up. To our knowledge the game went on with the balls as is.

After the Colts' complaint, the NFL had no choice but to take a ball for examination. Hopefully it ends there. If the refs thought the balls were under inflated, surely they would have tested the pressure and added air if necessary. If they were under inflated I don't see how it could have happened given the facts we know about the control of the ball, the tests, the signatures.
PV = nrt is how it could have happened.

Maybe you need a refresher course.
 
Guys, you are missing a huge point. Because of Guy-Lussac's Law, any ball at 12.5 PSI will be under that with a 2 degree drop in temp, never mind a 35 degree drop if measured inside or under a field heater. Every ball in play that measured 12.5 would have been under this by the half just because of the temperature drop, never mind being Gronk spiked or landed on by 4 guys at a time. If the coke head knew Brady liked it at 12.5 PSI, any measure after a 2 degree drop would show less. Sciencegate. Cokehead complains so they have to look into it and of course it is under. It is science. Its like saying a race car needs to start with 10 gallons of fuel and then expecting there to be 10 gallons in at the end of the race. Its crazy.

To be fair to Irsay, the only science he's concerned about measuring is in milligrams. Can't blame the guy :p
 
I don't understand how this even turned into a story.

if the Refs knew at half time, why didn't they test the balls at halftime? it takes all of 3 seconds to test the air pressure of a football.
 
As I thought about this it should be noted that there is also going to be differences between pressure gauges. They do state a margin of error on the package when you buy them.
 
Guy-Lussac's Law. The balls only have to be 12.5 when measured. After that they don't need to do anything. Temp goes up, PSI goes up, Temp goes down 2 degrees, its less than 12.5 PSI. Fat guy falls on it, it loses air. I know science is a very difficult concept for people from Indy but none of this matters if the ball was 12.5 when measured and there is no proof anyone deflated it on purpose. Thats it, the end. Sciencegate. Spread the word.
 
What should happen is that (hopefully tomorrow) the NFL comes out and says there is no evidence that the Patriots tampered with any balls. They might note that balls can deflate based on temperature changes and conditions over the course of the game, but this is normal and game balls being replaced during the course of a game is a fairly normal occurrence. In this instance, because the Colts organizations issued a complaint, they had to look into it, which they would have done had any team issued a similar complaint.

That's really the only possible outcome I'm seeing at this point.
 
Teams that play in domes don't understand the science of temperature changes etc...
 


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