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I think some of you here are looking for a scapegoat towards which to spit vitriol at because you are embarrassed by this news. Let me be clear. I am not accusing BB or the Pats of anything here. I'm simply stating my opinion. That it wouldn't surprise me, and yes that I think it's possible, and that yes I believe us to be capable. But I am not saying that they did or didn't do anything because nobody knows at this point.

That's MY opinion and that's my viewpoint. I have had this viewpoint for years, and it's never stopped me from being a Pats fan or supporting the team. I don't HAVE to be a blind homer fan that thinks we are saints, that we are always the victims of the NFL's harsh punishments, that we do no wrong, that we have no dirt, and that we would never cheat, and that when we do, it's not really cheating. So if you guys can't handle this viewpoint, that's fine, I'll refrain from speaking it.

But I'm not the one breaking this news, or accusing the Pats of anything. And I also believe I'm more mentally prepared for whatever the outcome of this situation. What I'm not prepared for is to try to have logical, conversations, for them to degenerate into personal insults or vitriol. So if you can't handle a difference in viewpoint, then continue to have it all you guys want without me.
Felgie, you're just pissed because your Packers gagged like Linda Lovelace...
 
I think some of you here are looking for a scapegoat towards which to spit vitriol at because you are embarrassed by this news. Let me be clear. I am not accusing BB or the Pats of anything here. I'm simply stating my opinion. That it wouldn't surprise me, and yes that I think it's possible, and that yes I believe us to be capable. But I am not saying that they did or didn't do anything because nobody knows at this point.

That's MY opinion and that's my viewpoint. I have had this viewpoint for years, and it's never stopped me from being a Pats fan or supporting the team. I don't HAVE to be a blind homer fan that thinks we are saints, that we are always the victims of the NFL's harsh punishments, that we do no wrong, that we have no dirt, and that we would never cheat, and that when we do, it's not really cheating. So if you guys can't handle this viewpoint, that's fine, I'll refrain from speaking it.

But I'm not the one breaking this news, or accusing the Pats of anything. And I also believe I'm more mentally prepared for whatever the outcome of this situation. What I'm not prepared for is to try to have logical, conversations, for them to degenerate into personal insults or vitriol. So if you can't handle a difference in viewpoint, then continue to have it all you guys want without me.

Nah.... It's not about looking for a scapegoat. It's about you talking out of your backside. You accused me of not understanding something that I obviously understand better than you do, and you followed that up by demonstrating a lack of understanding of what "spygate" was.
 
What I'm not prepared for is to try to have logical, conversations, for them to degenerate into personal insults or vitriol.
If you want "logical conversations," start with a freaking logical premise.
 
I think some of you here are looking for a scapegoat towards which to spit vitriol at because you are embarrassed by this news. Let me be clear. I am not accusing BB or the Pats of anything here. I'm simply stating my opinion. That it wouldn't surprise me, and yes that I think it's possible, and that yes I believe us to be capable. But I am not saying that they did or didn't do anything because nobody knows at this point.

That's MY opinion and that's my viewpoint. I have had this viewpoint for years, and it's never stopped me from being a Pats fan or supporting the team. I don't HAVE to be a blind homer fan that thinks we are saints, that we are always the victims of the NFL's harsh punishments, that we do no wrong, that we have no dirt, and that we would never cheat, and that when we do, it's not really cheating. So if you guys can't handle this viewpoint, that's fine, I'll refrain from speaking it.

But I'm not the one breaking this news, or accusing the Pats of anything. And I also believe I'm more mentally prepared for whatever the outcome of this situation. What I'm not prepared for is to try to have logical, conversations, for them to degenerate into personal insults or vitriol. So if you can't handle a difference in viewpoint, then continue to have it all you guys want without me.
That was fast I only had it up there for about 40 seconds before I decided to remove it.

But, I admire your persistence in supporting a position that is (1) Unpopular and (2) Wrong -- about people looking for a scapegoat. You've stated your opinion (which we know can't be wrong -- for you).

and punishment in the NFL isn't based on merit but whatever Goodell feels will appease the masses (mob mentality so to say). so, I apologize for 2 things: my 40 seconds of a bad decision and for you believing that only blind homers re tired of hearing crap.
 
Here's a good description from the CBS feed given over at the Planet by a poster named "AllworldTE":

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=69304&page=10

"The whole thing was weird. It was just after half-time. There was a delay for some reason which Simms and Nantz felt was due to the kicking ball still being in the game which they stated after the initial delay was over.

Anderson looks perturbed during the initial delay. Anderson gives the signal to start play, The ump (official number 124 Carl Paganelli) wipes and sets the ball, the Pats move to the line and then and only then does Anderson stop play to remove the ball.

If I were investigating this I'd take a few steps.

1. What was the reason for the initial delay? There was no commercial break after the half so they should have set the ball and been ready to go.

2. Paganelli held the offending football throughout the initial delay under a towel. Then he sets the ball after Anderson stated "let's go" several times while indicating the start of play. Then Anderson says something to Brady.

3. Paganelli sets the ball and backs off. Vereen goes in motion at which point Paganelli stops play. At the time play is stopped, the ball boy is already rushing another ball onto the field and Anderson is moving towards him to get it. The ball boy throw it to Anderson who does a quick squeeze and tosses it to Paganelli who exchanges the balls. He throws the offending ball to the side-judge.

4. This is when the idea that it was a kicking ball comes into play.

5. I'd interview Anderson, Paganelli, the side-judge, the ball boy handling the balls on the side-line and the ball boy handing the storage bag which holds the balls that are out of the rotation.

6. If this ball was deflated, the person who should have known was Paganelli as he was holding it for an extended period of time prior to setting it just after Anderson started play. He obviously didn't notice it. Wendell had barely touched it and hadn't indicated an issue so he wasn't the cause of the stoppage. Anderson started play so he apparently wasn't aware.

7. Yet play was stopped and the ball was exchanged. The ball boy was rushing another ball into play after Anderson signaled to start play and prior to his stopping play.

8. Did the ball boy call out to get Anderson's attention that there was a problem?

9. Did Anderson know there was an issue with the ball but there's some procedure about setting it prior to the play to show intent if the offense lines up with the bad ball in play? (Seems far fetched considering it's the official's job to insure proper balls are in play)

10. Was this really a kicking ball issue and the deflated ball thing happened at a different point in the game?

11. Why did the ball boy have to go get another ball and run it over to the officials if they were aware there was a problem prior to setting the bad ball? Shouldn't he be holding multiple balls or did he get screwed up with the kicking ball/regular ball exchange after the kick-off?

12. The entire sequence is weird. Why set the ball then stop play while the ball boy is running over with another ball?

13. Unfortunately CBS cut away a few times at points which may have shed some light on the subject such as:

14. Did Anderson check the offending ball at any time?

15. Where did the bad ball go? We see the linesman throw it to someone off camera? Who? What was done with it?

16. We don't see what happened to it. We see the ball boy reach into the storage bag for a replacement but we don't see his hand come out and we don;t see what happens to the offending ball.

17. Hopefully the game film shows us more clearly what took place during this sequence of events.

It was a bomb!! We tried to bomb the colts, until we found they couldn't pass, run, or play defense or special teams, so we decided to use conventional weapons.
 
How could we be fined without there actually being real evidence the Patriots deflated balls?
It isn't going to happen. This is a nothing story and this is a nothing thread.

That's assuming the conclusion.

We know from the rule and from what Blandino and others have said that refs have the ability to (and at least sometimes do) test balls during the game. We know that at least one ball was removed from the game. It is certainly possible (especially if the Colts complained during the game) that the refs checked a bunch of balls (or, more likely, had one of their sideline assistants do it).

So it's not like it's impossible for it to be known whether or not there were a bunch of balls too low and what their pressures were.

I would assume the league is going to interview the refs, then the ball attendants, any team and NFL sideline staff, and also review any sideline video that exists and go from there.
 
Ya I got that. I'm just saying what's the excuse for the NE defense absolutely shutting the Colts offense down?

The Colts were not using deflated footballs and therefore it was harder for them?

The best defense is a good offense. Lengthy drives keep Luck on the bench. Scoring in bunches changes the other offenses play you because they have to go catch up mode.
 
Though this is obviously a made up distraction by an embarassed, loser of a writer, I though this tidbit was interesting.

I'm not giving his TV station clicks, but you can google kravitz deflate if you want.

He says we deflated Andrew Luck's balls because we are a running team and they are a passing team. He said it's much harder to pass a deflated ball.

For you playing at home, that is the exact opposite of what people, with only him as a source, are saying. they're saying it was deflated to make it easier for Brady to grip.

So, the ball was deflated to make it harder, and easier, to throw.
 
Yawn. Wake me up when there's something more useful information, like name that mom who was dancing with Gronk and the rest of the players at the ceremony. She got moves!

The 2 fingers salute t-shirt by Edelsuperman is a great gesture to the media.
 
Trying to shorten the timeline :

- The balls were fine before the game because the refs check them.

- The balls that were checked before the game are those in question because the refs sign them (so they couldn't have been "exchanged" by the Patriots).

- So the only way this could happen is the exact balls that were checked were deflated after the check.

- So they were either deflated on the sideline. Or they were removed from the sideline, deflated, and put back. Or deflated at half time, depending on who controls the balls at halftime.

- Deflating them on the sideline seems like a logistical impossibility as they'd have to get them to the exact right pressure. Which means the only way I could see this happening is someone taking a ball back to the locker room, deflating it, returning it and getting another until they're all done.

That sounds like a difficult feat to pull off but following the facts we've all ready it seems like the only possibility.
 
Ian Rapport says that it appears that just one ball was taken. It really sucks that this topic is taking away from talking about an epic SB matchup.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-engla...-investigating-football-inflation-accusations

the indy sports writer is sitting back in all of this and laughing.

hope karma hits hard on him

If I find out that this was over a single football being taken in for investigation Bob Kravitz better hope I never run across him in person because it wont be the karma that is hitting him hard.

Wait, unless that would be karma?
 
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So I read Kravitz's most recent article which states that D'Qwell Jackson, who intercepted the Brady pass, did not notice a difference between the size of the ball he intercepted and Colts' balls. This flies in the face of the Schefter report I discussed earlier in the thread (from ESPN NFL Insiders) that the Colts noticed deflated balls in the game at Lucas Oil after the interceptions and noticed the same thing this time after picking off Brady again. To me, this seems like a ton of hot air. I am not really seeing any smoke or fire as of yet.

On another note, the article is written by Kravitz, but he quotes himself and refers to himself in the third person. I find that extremely weird...
 


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