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Asking for your support
 

Should QBs get to throw the ball any way they like it?

  • Yes

    Votes: 82 70.1%
  • No the ball should be one way for everybody

    Votes: 35 29.9%

  • Total voters
    117
Theyre saying NEs footballs were deflated to supposedly make it easier to throw and catch.

Ya I got that. I'm just saying what's the excuse for the NE defense absolutely shutting the Colts offense down?
 
Sigh. Peter Jennings was just all over this with some clown at gillette reporting live. Ive never bashed the league on this board, but they need to put something out. This isnt right and this is a damn good team.

Peter Jennings would be rolling his eyes at this story. Sadly, he's been dead for nearly a decade.

OTOH, to give a little bit of credit here, they also covered Wilfork's heroism immediately afterward.
 
So the league a number of years ago allowed teams to play with their own balls (insert Bevis and Butthead laugh) and in doing so allowed teams to prepare those balls as they see fit but in accordance with certain requirements of which I'm not aware of the restriction other than the air requirement. So this becomes more likely a matter of preference for the QB.

Now having played QB through a few years of college and then in adult recreation leagues I can tell you from my own personal preference, the tact or treatment of the leather was far more important than the amount of air when gripping a dry or wet ball. Now, having a little less air can help with the grip but this isn't a universal fact and not enough air makes the ball heavier and was actually more difficult to throw (for me at least). Aaron Rodgers was quoted as saying he likes more air in the ball.

I'm not here to provide an "expert" opinion on the effects of a treated ball since it really is up to the individual but rather to add an additional layer of perspective to what is ignorantly labeled an "uneven" set of rules.
The most critical fact that either is not mentioned are at most is glossed over is the league does allow teams to choose and treat their own footballs so the game is potentially already being played with different balls that suit that QB.

Anywho, that's all I have for this ridiculous controversy (writing or reading).
I'm on to Seattle.
 
And he isn't. Which it could mean he believes he can get away with it. Sometimes he's wrong though. He got caught last time. But as I said, sometimes he might just be getting targeted. He believes teams do certain things, and the NFL allows them to get away with them, and sometimes he gets targeted.

They will both be in the HOF. Deflating balls isn't worse than Spygate. The people who vote on that know all about the behind the scene cheating that goes on in the NFL. They know about bounties. They know about steroids. They know about all of these issues, that are accepted in NFL lockerooms, that are not accepted in public perception. You don't know if BB believes something like this puts a HOF entry at jeopardy. And I think coaches know what does and what doesn't better than you or I.

I worked in 3 different car dealerships. What goes on in the F&I offices of dealerships is far worse than deflated balls. You are threatened by FBI probes and actual jail time. Yet it's done all the ****ing time, despite real punishment, for a lot less money, for a lot less glory. And the public still buys cars.

I think your definition of cheating might be different than mine. Cheating to me is things like PEDs, stickum, deflating footballs - on purpose - and so on. I would strongly disagree that "everyone" does these things.

I would also disagree that a coach who cares about his own place in history would resort to those tactics knowing the consequences of getting caught. In some cases, caught again. What does an accolade really mean if in the end you were just a better cheater than everyone else? Some coaches might not give a rats rump about that, but I think this one absolutely does. The HOF comment is an example of the risk that is being taken by coaching that way.
 
As for BB's non denial...since when has he said anything to the media about anything?
 
This too shall pass. I've been laughing at this nonsense ever since it broke! Nothing surprises me when it comes to the Pats & their haters/spectators! Even Stevie Wonder can see this fictitious story is straight BS! I'll bet a rack nothing comes out of this!
 
Just heard on NFL Network (with Ian Rappaport) That the league might be able to finish their investigation in a couple days or early next week at the latest.

Also, he mentioned if there was a fine it would be 25,000.

I'm curious how they really investigate this. If the ball is no longer under similar conditions, would it not potentially change as a result of temperature differences (though there's probably math they can apply to say what would have been the state of the football if there was a change).
 
Please clearly explain what the Patriots did in Spygate that was "cheating".

I don't think you know what the issue was at all.

They taped opponent's hand signals which was against the rules at that point, and BB knew it. Videotaping hand signals in the NFL was, at that point, has been ever since and continues to be considered cheating. Not sure what is there to explain.
 
They taped opponent's hand signals which was against the rules at that point, and BB knew it. Videotaping hand signals in the NFL was, at that point, has been ever since and continues to be considered cheating. Not sure what is there to explain.
Does your mom know you are up this late? So wrong..
 
@DandCShow: "Did the Patriots cheat their way into the Super Bowl?" The CBS Evening News.
 
Frankly, this man doesnt give a ratbirds a@@.



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(side note to RLCarr. Regarding your avatar, is that the captain of a spaceship? the pic reminds me of a animated sci fi show I watched as a kid).

Yep! That is Captain Avatar of the Argo if you were a Star Blazers fan and Captain Okita of the Yamato if you were a Space Battleship Yamato fan.

However, that specific image is taken from the Space Battleship Yamato: 2199 anime series, which is a totally awesome 2012-2014 remake of the 1974 Space Battleship Yamato "Quest For Iscandar" series.

(If any of you were Star Blazers fans back in the day, please PM me so I can tell you more about Yamato: 2199. I don't want to hijack this thread any further.)
 
Thought trolls got banned pretty quick around here? PatriotSeven has been at it all day!
 
Ok you are justifying the last time he blatantly cheated as not cheating, but he did exactly that. It was a means to a win. That's what it was. And it did end up tarnishing his reputation as far as public perception goes.

I'm justifying it too. Except mine is more blunt. It just makes logical sense, imo. There is nothing to lose except some hypocritical fans whining about another team cheating, when they all do it. Perception and image. Something that is already tarnished anyway.

That is the ONLY real thing at stake here. Nothing else. And I don't think BB gives a **** about that. Profits will go up. Wins will get counted. Trophies will be handed out. Players will make more money. There is no legal repercussion. The NFL's own repercussions, aren't severe enough to deter it.

You want to believe he is accidentally and innocently cheating, and making errors in judgments...and I find it easier to believe it's like everything else we know about him, meticulously calculated and carefully planned. He's not a ****ing idiot. He knows what he is doing.
I would say BBs interpretation of the taping rule was quite plausible. In fact, I would say, more than plausible, it was objectively more correct. The fact that he was punished in no way changes that fact. Goodell could punish BB for scratching his ass, which in no way makes scratching your ass retroactively illegal and cheating.

Goodell just underwent his own investigation for his habit of handing out specious and arbitrary punishments with dubious evidence. I would hardly consider earning the ire of the most distrusted commissioner in NFL history as evidence of BB's cheating. Goodell is a monumental ****-up who had never had a job on a football field or rule book. When he's not ****ing up the one thing he's supposed to do which is make good PR and keep people from questioning the integrity of the game, he dabbles in blowing every minor issue into a major scandal, screws up fines and suspensions, pisses off players nearly causing a lockout, and gets bailed out by Kraft.

BB is a paragon of NFL knowledge and history, he had over 30 years in the league coaching before Goodell ever cracked open a rule book and attempted to strain his brain cells into understanding the contents. Just because Roger thinks his ruling by memo was clear or legitimate does not make it so.

It's also ludicrous to say BB would run some sort of cheating cost benefit analysis. You think these guys at that level are in it for a few bucks? Winning is just a bottom line? A way to put money in the bank? You don't even believe that.
 
I'm curious how they really investigate this. If the ball is no longer under similar conditions, would it not potentially change as a result of temperature differences (though there's probably math they can apply to say what would have been the state of the football if there was a change).

I was thinking the same thing too. If they didn't measure the air pressure immediately during/after the game, then you really can't prove anything.
 
From the espn article,
On the first offensive play from scrimmage in the third quarter, following a kick return, referee Walt Anderson briefly stopped play to replace a football which could have been related to this issue.

No one bothered to ask Walt Anderson about this? Isn't that what real journalists do?
 
You know, in real life, if you falsely accuse someone of rape you can get in serious trouble.

The NFL should employ a similar set of rules so teams can't just accuse us of cheating every time they get their ass kicked. Accuse another team of cheating and be wrong and lose a draft pick for tarnishing the league's integrity.

This crap would end real fast
 


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