The difference between McCarthy and Belichick

RIpats88 · Jan 19, 2015

yesterdays game against the seahawks was pure playing "afraid to lose" rather than "trying to win" and that is why the seahawks are going to the superbowl and not the Packers. I give props to the seahawks, but the Packers were the better team for most of that game and choked it away in the end.

1. not going for it on 4th and goal RIGHT at their 1 yard line. Worse comes to worse you get stuffed and the seahawks offense(which you shut down for most of the game) is starting IN THEIR ENDZONE after you were shutting them out most of the game. that was a no brainer to go for it IMO.

2. The worst offense of this IMO was 3 minutes left and ALL you need was to pick up a couple of first downs and the game is won and you are going to glendale. Instead, you run it up the gut 3 times and give the ball back to the seahawks with more than enough time to drive down the field and score. when the packers pulled that extremely conservative playcall I knew the game was lost.

and just those 2 points is why im glad we have belichick. we're up a few scores yesterday and we are going for it on 4th down to put the nail in the coffin of the colts, QB sneaks on 4th and 1. Belichick gets it....when you have a chance you need to beat your opponent down. not sit back and hope you can hold onto a win

SunsOutGunsOut · Jan 19, 2015

How is McCarthy not fired yet?

RobertWeathers · Jan 19, 2015

SunsOutGunsOut said:
How is McCarthy not fired yet?

I swear Grady Little coached the Packers yesterday.

rochrist · Jan 19, 2015

McCarthy always coaches scared.

Rob0729 · Jan 19, 2015

Bill Belichick yesterday:

Mike McCarthy yesterday:

Oswlek · Jan 19, 2015

Running was the least of McCarthy's problems. It was actually the right call. Bigger issues:

1) Not being ready for the fake FG. This was a travesty. With or without the FG, Seattle still needed two TDs and to shut out GB the rest of the way to win. Yes, with the FG, the TDs don't need to be accompanied by 2pt conversions and it would lead to a win instead of a tie, but the situation is still the same. The only legitimate chance of losing involved a fake, and they didn't see it coming. Travesty.

2) Does anyone think the Patriots would have guys doing their own things on an onside kick? That should have been so drilled in that it was second nature.

There were at least another 3-4 examples that I was shaking my head at as the game went along, as well as some player oriented gaffes that display poor preparation, including:

3) The LB under-cutting the WR pick and giving Lynch the entire sideline (on the almost TD catch) instead of just going around it and allowing 5-6 yards. Dumbass! The clock is your friend. Even if you allow a TD, if they only go 5 yards a pop, it will still take them down to the 2 minute warning with no TOs. Instead, even had GB handled the onside kick, Seattle was likely to get the ball back with 1:20 left around the 15. Not easy, but doable.

4) Going right to the turf after the pick. Seriously, WTF was that? Sure, you don't want to fumble it back, but there wasn't anyone near him. He would have been easily into FG territory - perhaps even taken it to the house - and run another 5-8 seconds off the clock.

This is why I say all the time that McCarthy is overrated. He is a great weekday coach, but he's awful on gameday and doesn't have his guys situationally prepared. He'll get you ready to win with a sledgehammer, but he doesn't have the smaller tools in his kit. When people talk about Rodgers' record in close games and comebacks, they really should be looking to the sideline for the problem.

RIpats88 · Jan 19, 2015

Rogers deserves better. You could even make the case that the fact that the last 2 years McCarthy didnt prepare the team how to handle the read option against Kaepernick (when that is what they made their bread and butter on all year) was a reason they were blown out of the water.

nabwong · Jan 19, 2015

I never ever wish for an opponent coach to be fired as I'm afraid they might get better.

SalemPats · Jan 19, 2015

The honest fact was that if Rodgers and Cobb were healthy the Packers win this one easily.

rochrist · Jan 19, 2015

RIpats88 said:
Rogers deserves better. You could even make the case that the fact that the last 2 years McCarthy didnt prepare the team how to handle the read option against Kaepernick (when that is what they made their bread and butter on all year) was a reason they were blown out of the water.

I noticed today that Rodgers has 3 one and dones in 6 years.

Ring 6 · Jan 19, 2015

rochrist said:
I noticed today that Rodgers has 3 one and dones in 6 years.

Rodgers is 6-5 in the postseason. 4-0 in 2010, 2-5 the rest of his career.

Fencer · Jan 19, 2015

Oswlek said:
Running was the least of McCarthy's problems. It was actually the right call. Bigger issues:

1) Not being ready for the fake FG. This was a travesty. With or without the FG, Seattle still needed two TDs and to shut out GB the rest of the way to win. Yes, with the FG, the TDs don't need to be accompanied by 2pt conversions and it would lead to a win instead of a tie, but the situation is still the same. The only legitimate chance of losing involved a fake, and they didn't see it coming. Travesty.

2) Does anyone think the Patriots would have guys doing their own things on an onside kick? That should have been so drilled in that it was second nature.

There were at least another 3-4 examples that I was shaking my head at as the game went along, as well as some player oriented gaffes that display poor preparation, including:

3) The LB under-cutting the WR pick and giving Lynch the entire sideline (on the almost TD catch) instead of just going around it and allowing 5-6 yards. Dumbass! The clock is your friend. Even if you allow a TD, if they only go 5 yards a pop, it will still take them down to the 2 minute warning with no TOs. Instead, even had GB handled the onside kick, Seattle was likely to get the ball back with 1:20 left around the 15. Not easy, but doable.

4) Going right to the turf after the pick. Seriously, WTF was that? Sure, you don't want to fumble it back, but there wasn't anyone near him. He would have been easily into FG territory - perhaps even taken it to the house - and run another 5-8 seconds off the clock.

This is why I say all the time that McCarthy is overrated. He is a great weekday coach, but he's awful on gameday and doesn't have his guys situationally prepared. He'll get you ready to win with a sledgehammer, but he doesn't have the smaller tools in his kit. When people talk about Rodgers' record in close games and comebacks, they really should be looking to the sideline for the problem.

You're right. STs, situational awareness and so on are big differences. But I disagree w/ the OP, because we've seen "prevent" defenses, conservative run calls and so on late in games from BB as well.

JMarr · Jan 19, 2015

Everyone's talking about the onside kick and fake FG, but IMO the biggest mistakes GB committed were 1)the decision to kick field goals when you're inside the one and have a chance to land a haymaker on the best defense in the league, in their insanely loud house and 2)the defense allowing the hail mary 2 point conversion which had zero chance of succeeding if the D had played through the entire play. I don't think Belichick would allow either scenario.

Enough bad coaching to go around (their ST coach should probably lose his job), and the overall going-into-coast mode when you have a 19-7 lead, the ridiculously conservative decisions in the 1st quarter, plus the overall laize faire attitude displayed by the O make Mike McCarthy and his staff look really, really bad.

Seahawxx · Jan 19, 2015

I dont blame McCarthy for taking 3s in the game, Seattle's offense couldn't move the ball if their life depended on it. But to only get 6 points off of 5 turnovers is just sad.

In the 2nd half the packers were essentially kneeling the ball 3 times and punting it off.

rochrist · Jan 19, 2015

JMarr said:
Everyone's talking about the onside kick and fake FG, but IMO the biggest mistakes GB committed were 1)the decision to kick field goals when you're inside the one and have a chance to land a haymaker on the best defense in the league, in their insanely loud house and 2)the defense allowing the hail mary 2 point conversion which had zero chance of succeeding if the D had played through the entire play. I don't think Belichick would allow either scenario.

Enough bad coaching to go around (their ST coach should probably lose his job), and the overall going-into-coast mode when you have a 19-7 lead, the ridiculously conservative decisions in the 1st quarter, plus the overall laize faire attitude displayed by the O make Mike McCarthy and his staff look really, really bad.

Which goes directly to McCarthy coaching scared.

hyperpat · Jan 19, 2015

The Packers DB going to the ground after the fourth pick of Wilson with 5 min. left was ridiculous. Hold the ball high and tight, get yards and then go down with both arms on the ball when contact is imminent. Could have gotten GB into field goal range.

JMarr · Jan 19, 2015

Seahawxx said:
I dont blame McCarthy for taking 3s in the game, Seattle's offense couldn't move the ball if their life depended on it. But to only get 6 points off of 5 turnovers is just sad.

In the 2nd half the packers were essentially kneeling the ball 3 times and punting it off.

Except that they eventually did when it mattered the most. No way McCarthy could have known in the first quarter that Wilson and his offense would be that bad for most of the game. Granted GB's D came out on fire, but are they going to sustain that kind of intensity all game in Seattle's house? Resounding "no."

6 points out of two early possessions where you've kicked their D's teeth in and are inside the one is unacceptable. GB would be champs now had McCarthy not laid an egg. Aikman also made a good point when he said "you make them start from inside their one if you don't make it."

Wiluven · Jan 19, 2015

What amazed me is on first possession OT, no safety over the top of Kearse to prevent a game winning TD.

ummmm okay.

NSPF · Jan 19, 2015

Green Bay's performance was a classic example of having too much respect for your opponent. They couldn't believe that the immortal Seattle Seahawks could have made a mistake and refused to capitalize on them, for fear that it was a trap that they would later regret (not going for touchdowns from the 1 yard line). Despite being up by two scores at the end of the game they remained in the mindset that they could only defeat a far superior opponent by performing spectacular individual feats instead of merely doing their jobs that they had to this point done well enough to bring them within 2 minutes of the Super Bowl (see: failed onside kick recovery). Yet they somehow managed to hold the contradictory belief that because of the perceived overwhelming power of their opponent, anything they attempted would result in complete failure, and for that reason they failed to even try (not returning the interception for more field position, running the ball three times for negative yardage with 7 minutes left). This all comes in the face of the overwhelming evidence that they were in fact a good enough team to win and attempting to match their opponents power was bound to be met with at least some degree of success.

Chalk this up to yet another win for the power rankings. The Patriots know this kind of victory all too well, with most teams losing at Gillette the moment they stepped off the bus, never believing that they are truly capable of defeating the great Tom Brady and Bill Belichick at home, and therefore refusing to even attempt to play the way a team that *is* capable of beating them would.

tasmlab · Jan 19, 2015

Seattle needed three minutes of miraculous play, an onside kick recovery which almost never happens, a miracle 2 point conversion and potentially a lucky coin flip to win. The coach did a decent job for 57 minutes until reality turned in on itself.

Reminds me of the thrilling 2013 Browns game comeback by the Pats, or the season opener against Buffalo when the kick returner muffed late.

As boring as it may sound, I'm glad to be a Pats fan watching the final minutes of a game with Garapolo wasting time than be a Packers fan watching some of the most exciting football of the season.

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