AFC Championship Game : Patriots vs. Colts -- Pre-Game Thread

Ring 6 · Jan 16, 2015

LivinLovin&Breathin_Brady said:
I think this game will be a close one. I'd say Patriots 34, Colts 27. I was confident we would kill the Ravens, but I had no clue our defense was gonna be complete garbage that game. If the D shows up again or not, either way, I believe Brady, playing like his usual self, is more than capable of outscoring Andrew "praying for" Luck. My only worry with this game is Brady. In AFC Championship games since 2006, he has been playing less than stellar, with the turnovers, he's averaging 2-3 interceptions a game. The defense definitely kept us in that 2007 game, Brady was playing like utter garbage and he had Moss on his side. Same thing with the 2011 game against the Ravens, where the defense and Raven's kicker saved Brady from screwing up our chances at competing at the Superbowl. If the real Brady shows up Sunday, I am not concerned because I know what the outcome is gonna be. If the other Brady shows up, then we are in for a long one. He probably still pull it off because that overrated Luck is sure to throw about two INTs and fumble the ball.

Not sure 'complete garbage' is an accurate statement of any unit in any win, much less one that, when down 28-14, allowed a total of 3 points the rest of the way so the team could get a comeback win.
Now if you called the Ravens defense complete garbage in that game, you would be closer, but the funny thing is more people on this board would argue that statement.

Anteros · Jan 16, 2015

Connecticut said:
Lol typical Indy. Unimaginative and butthurt response to banter.

http://usports.org/indiana-clothing-company-answers-tom-brady-facebook-post/

Unimaginative? That shirt actually looks pretty badass.

FourierSeries · Jan 16, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
Not sure 'complete garbage' is an accurate statement of any unit in any win, much less one that, when down 28-14, allowed a total of 3 points the rest of the way so the team could get a comeback win.
Now if you called the Ravens defense complete garbage in that game, you would be closer, but the funny thing is more people on this board would argue that statement.

"Complete garbage" would actually be a compliment to that defense the way it played in the first half. They did turn it around in the 2nd half and played much better, however.

Hopefully the slow start, and Belichick putting them through the wringer this week, will have them motivated and prepared to have a better start on Sunday.

Ring 6 · Jan 16, 2015

FourierSeries said:
"Complete garbage" would actually be a compliment to that defense the way it played in the first half. They did turn it around in the 2nd half and played much better, however.

Hopefully the slow start, and Belichick putting them through the wringer this week, will have them motivated and prepared to have a better start on Sunday.

I don't think I agree. First 2 drives were bad. Next 3 were 12 plays 29 yards, before the final TD drive after the turnover (heavily aided by a terrible call on 24). If we don't turn it over there, its 2 bad drives, then good defense, so while we should hope for better, it certainly could have been a lot worse.

dales804 · Jan 16, 2015

Stork has been ruled out for Sunday. Everyone else is probable for NE.

zipster9 · Jan 16, 2015

Deja Vu?

Rain forecast for game.

Last years' Divisional Game @ Foxboro against the Colts, was also raining. That game, Luck threw 4 INTS.

Haterproof · Jan 16, 2015

zipster9 said:
Deja Vu?

Rain forecast for game.

Last years' Divisional Game @ Foxboro against the Colts, was also raining. That game, Luck threw 4 INTS.

Music to my ears!!

supafly · Jan 16, 2015

mgcolby said:
I will admit I underestimated Baltimore, more importantly their mental toughness. I didn't see the same
'we don't care team" that came into Foxboro three times before. But in the end they were. Indy is nothing like Baltimore, mentally or physically. Luck is a turnover machine, the Colts front 7 is soft, this game could be close and my pick calculator says it will (21-20) but I don't see that being the case.

I understand and respect what you are saying but in the end I will agree to disagree.

I'm definitely hoping that you're right, and that it will be a 10+ point victory.

I think most positional matchups say that it should be a decisive Patriots victory. The biggest concern that I have would be the types of situations that are unmeasurable, which sometimes occur in the postseason setting--that's all. I also worry about their TEs.

supafly · Jan 16, 2015

SVN said:
That last 2 playoff losses at home for the pats have been vs teams which beat manning in the previous game .So the colts have that going for them , if it means anything that is.

You just have a plethora of horrible knowledge lately

The stat from above + the fact that Luck is 12-0 in teams that he faces for the second time in a season are beginning to get my stomach in knots again.

Whitt25 · Jan 16, 2015

supafly said:
The stat from above + the fact that Luck is 12-0 in teams that he faces for the second time in a season are beginning to get my stomach in knots again.

Here's the thing, though. Who were the 12 teams he's beaten in rematches? Were there any significant injuries that weakened said team in the rematch? Were they .500 teams? Lots of questions. Either way, we need to make it 12-1.

Edit: A lot of these "records" are getting on my nerves. 12-0 with rematches, never losing in 40 degrees and under, Pats being 0-2 against Manning beaters. Come on, now, y'all.

Deus Irae · Jan 16, 2015

supafly said:
You just have a plethora of horrible knowledge lately

The stat from above + the fact that Luck is 12-0 in teams that he faces for the second time in a season are beginning to get my stomach in knots again.

Let your stomach be at ease.

9 of those 12 came against Houston, Tennessee and Jacksonville in the last 3 years
1 of the remaining 3 came against the Chiefs, with that epic defensive collapse by KC last year, and the Colts had already beaten the Chiefs in the regular season
1 of the remaining 2 came against the Bengals this year in the playoffs, but they'd already beaten them in the regular season
The final one was against Manning's Broncos last week, and we all saw how bad Manning was in that game.

FourierSeries · Jan 16, 2015

The stat about teams who first beat Manning in a playoff game and then also beat Brady means nothing. Small sample size, and more importantly, even though Manning is known for being a playoff choker, he has at least been somewhat respectable in the past. This current version of Manning is just a shadow of his former self. Indy won't be able to do to Brady what they did to Manning.

Whitt25 · Jan 16, 2015

Deus Irae said:
Let your stomach be at ease.

9 of those 12 came against Houston, Tennessee and Jacksonville in the last 3 years

1 of the remaining 3 came against the Chiefs, with that epic defensive collapse by KC last year, and the Colts had already beaten the Chiefs in the regular season

1 of the remaining 2 came against the Bengals this year in the playoffs, but they'd already beaten them in the regular season

The final one was against Manning's Broncos last week, and we all saw how bad Manning was in that game.

Thank you.

supafly · Jan 16, 2015

Deus Irae said:
Let your stomach be at ease.

9 of those 12 came against Houston, Tennessee and Jacksonville in the last 3 years

1 of the remaining 3 came against the Chiefs, with that epic defensive collapse by KC last year, and the Colts had already beaten the Chiefs in the regular season

1 of the remaining 2 came against the Bengals this year in the playoffs, but they'd already beaten them in the regular season

The final one was against Manning's Broncos last week, and we all saw how bad Manning was in that game.

Yes, lots of weak sister teams, Deus.

Good stuff.

phil112 · Jan 16, 2015

LivinLovin&Breathin_Brady said:
I think this game will be a close one. I'd say Patriots 34, Colts 27. I was confident we would kill the Ravens, but I had no clue our defense was gonna be complete garbage that game.........................................

I'm gonna disagree with you here. The D wasn't garbage. The ravens are a tough team. I fully expected it to be close and nothing in the game surprised me. I knew the Pats would be in trouble if the O line didn't pick it up, and altho it took them awhile, they got it going.
The last thing the Pats need to fix is the slow starts. Bill fixed the O line and I would bet good money they're working on their starts. I expect the game with the colts to be easier than the ravens by far.
Whereas the Pats almost lost against the ravens, I see them getting started earlier and winning by 11.

Deus Irae · Jan 16, 2015

supafly said:
Yes, lots of weak sister teams, Deus.

Good stuff.

You're welcome. Here's another one for you....

Tom Brady's never lost a home playoff game to any team that was not from Ravens defensive tree (Ravens twice, Jets once)

Deus Irae · Jan 16, 2015

One more for Supa:

Patriots playoff losses since 2004

Broncos - Broncos favored, Patriots rebuilding
Colts - Colts favored, Patriots dealing with flu, phantom PI call
Giants - Brady injured, Neal injured, all TEs injured, helmet catch
Ravens - Brady first year back, Welker injured the week before
Jets - Flat out choke job
Giants - Gronk injured, Brady injured (degree of injury questionable)
Ravens - Gronk injured
Broncos - Gronk injured, Talib injured, seemingly half the team on IR

Even in the post 2004 era, healthy Patriots teams (Defined as a Patriots teams not missing critical high-end players or having those high-end players severely limited) have only lost twice, and only once when favored.

wpdougie2180 · Jan 16, 2015

Deus Irae said:
You're welcome. Here's another one for you....

Tom Brady's never lost a home playoff game to any team that was not from Ravens defensive tree (Ravens twice, Jets once)

Pagano is from the Ravens defensive tree Baltimore Ravens (2008-2010) -Secondary, (2011) -Defensive Coordinator

Deus Irae · Jan 16, 2015

wpdougie2180 said:
Pagano is from the Ravens defensive tree Baltimore Ravens (2008-2010) -Secondary, (2011) -Defensive Coordinator

The Colts don't actually run a Ravens/Jets style of defense. They don't have the DL for it. That's what I was referring to. I assumed that was understood. My mistake.

mosi · Jan 16, 2015

I see this game as being like all the other games against the colts, which are all much closer than the final score would indicate. Even this years game was a 8 point game at one point late in the 4th. Last years game was similar with only a 7 point game in the 4th. Even the 59 point blow out was close in first half. So, I think this game will be similar. The Pats will have to play 60 minutes. Play tough and never think you are clear.

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