Greg Bedard dealing with Playoff Level Stupidity Listening Thread

patfanken said:

Not many Robert?, Not ANY, brother. It had never been done in the history of the playoffs. It was an epic win for the TEAM. It was an epic effort by Brady too. You just have to acknowledge that he was directly responsible for one of the 14 pt. leads

Everyone who plays, even on a good day, has a few plays he'd like to have back. I can think of about 5 for Brady. But when you consider he was snapped the ball over 60 times, that's a LOT of wins too,. Perspective, Bob, perspective.

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So Brady was more directly responsible than the defense?

Brady gave them the ball back (admittedly a real bad play). But the defense let them go about 50 yards down the field to score a TD with seconds left. The defense shat the bed in the early third quarter. As bad a play as it was, if the defense played the game like we expected of them it might've been a 3 point swing at best.

JMC00 said:

Well Bedard watched the All-Film and he isn't one to say someone did fine if they didn't

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You don't need to watch the all-22 to watch Kline allow 1 sack and at least 4 hits on Brady in the 2nd quarter alone.

Kdo5 said:

Though I've found myself largely at odds with a few of Greg's opinions today (especially regarding Tom) I can't speak for how the offensive line did individually so much. I thought they had their struggles versus a tough defensive front but Tom getting the ball out lightning fast neutralized and covered up much of the OL's struggles.

Granted I can say with confidence that Vollmer did a good job and Solder (who I worried about) played decent too.

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Vollmer was lights out, and that was pretty evident because we never heard his name once. Solder was decent, and Kline was well, Kline.

patfanken said:

Not many Robert?, Not ANY, brother. It had never been done in the history of the playoffs. It was an epic win for the TEAM. It was an epic effort by Brady too. You just have to acknowledge that he was directly responsible for one of those 14 pt. leads

Everyone who plays, even on a good days, has a few plays he'd like to have back. I can think of about 5 for Brady. But when you consider he was snapped the ball over 60 times, that's a LOT of wins too,. Perspective, Bob, perspective.

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I was being sarcastic

PP2 said:

You don't need to watch the all-22 to watch Kline allow 1 sack and at least 4 hits on Brady in the 2nd quarter alone.

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He was better in the 2nd 1/2 but sheesh...

PP2 said:

Vollmer was lights out, and that was pretty evident because we never heard his name once. Solder was decent, and Kline was well, Kline.

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Vollmer was downright dominant. Dumb and Dumerville had zero chance.

I disagree that the Brady pick was a good decision, bad throw. It was a decision that should not have been made.

One thing that I don't hear discussed among the mediots when looking at Brady's performance is the quality of his play as the game went on and as the stakes increased. Albeit, the first half was ok, not great but the second half was great and in a playoff game down 2 scores in the 3rd quarter, the quality of a QB's play at that time through the end of the game should be measured differently than the 1st half since mistakes are more difficult to overcome.

Bedard I believe said that Brady's pick was responsible for 7 Raven points but the Ravens still needed to drive the ball 60 yards so the defense is just as accountable.

Meanwhile, Flacco's 1st pick resulted in zero points for the Pats but they had the ball inside the Raven 40 to start the drive. I would say this pick should have been far more costly and he was very lucky it wasn't.

But the real kicker is Flacco's second pick and it was all on him. Similar to Brady's in that it was a poor decision, poor throw but that was the game right there. The last time Brady had the ball for a meaningful play, he made what might be the best throw of the game. Talk about delivering when the consequences of failure are most penal. Two QB's who statistically had good games but 2 plays that in my mind separate their performances significantly.

Hey did anyone get Felger and Mazz "paying the piper" on their Denver Broncos commentary. I sent them an e-mail throwing their "all in" commentary from early in the season back in their face. I missed the segment (I tuned in right before they went to break) I just wonder if they were responding to my e-mail or a caller or another e-mail.

RE: Chandler Jones.
I was keeping up with the tweets from Mike Carlson who is a pundit on UK's C4 coverage of the NFL. Throughout the 2nd half he mentioned on numerous occasions how James Hurst was holding and illegally blocking his man yet not being flagged for his indiscretions.

Also he mentioned how the mere threat of being chop-blocked on any given play was leading to the Patriots defensive lineman keeping their heads on a swivel and playing more tentatively than they normally would.

Rob0729 said:

Hey did anyone get Felger and Mazz "paying the piper" on their Denver Broncos commentary. I sent them an e-mail throwing their "all in" commentary from early in the season back in their face. I missed the segment (I tuned in right before they went to break) I just wonder if they were responding to my e-mail or a caller or another e-mail.

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It was definitely an email. Must have been yours. And they were pompous as ever. Mazz talked about how he'd like all of the Boston teams to go all in because they have the resources. Didn't he dislike the Sox signing Sandoval and Ramirez?

MoreBellhorn said:

It was definitely an email.

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Did it talk about Demarcus Ware being part of the All Witness Protection team? Or TJ Ward being basically Patrick Chung with better publicity and paycheck?

PP2 said:

Not that this is a knock on Chandler Jones, the Ravens OL is very solid, particularly their tackles.

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the were actually generally regarded as a weakness coming into the game

mayoclinic said:

That's been a consistent thorn in the side:

- Interception against Detroit takes points off the board
- Interception against Miami takes points off the board and leads to a Miami score before the half
- Interception against Baltimore leads to a score before the half

That and the slow start on defense at the beginning of halves against scripted plays are the two biggest issues I'd like to see tightened up.

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Don't forgot the INT against Indy.

Rob0729 said:

Did it talk about Demarcus Ware being part of the All Witness Protection team?

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Ha! Awesome!

Felger mentioned that, how Ward is a more expensive Chung, and Talib choked in the title game. They talked about it for probably 10 minutes.

They both said the moves helped and it was Manning's fault.

Rob0729 said:

Did it talk about Demarcus Ware being part of the All Witness Protection team? Or TJ Ward being basically Patrick Chung with better publicity and paycheck?

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Yep, that was yours. I edited my last post.

mayoclinic said:

That's been a consistent thorn in the side:

- Interception against Detroit takes points off the board
- Interception against Miami takes points off the board and leads to a Miami score before the half
- Interception against Baltimore leads to a score before the half

That and the slow start on defense at the beginning of halves against scripted plays are the two biggest issues I'd like to see tightened up.

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Didnt he do this against GB as well? He has been a mess before half this year so uncharacteristic prob laid more eggs this year then his entire career.

That said he had most yds ever n playoff game couldnt have played that bad,

MoreBellhorn said:

Yep, that was yours. I edited my last post.

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Damn it. The one time I send an e-mail and I missed it. For everyone who missed it (assuming anyone actually cares), I will post it here:

Ok Guys,

Earlier in the season you were praising the Broncos for recognizing Manning had limited time left and went "all in" to maximize the time he has left and criticized the Pats for doing the same. Of course, you dropped that when the Pats and Broncos started to trend in opposite directions. It is time for mea culpa.

Let's look at the "all in" players the Broncos acquired:

Demarcus Ware - Should make the All Witness Protection Team. You saw why the Cowboys let him go. The guy was like gang busters earlier in the season looking in All Pro form and by mid-season he was just average and many games late in the season and yesterday was a non-factor all together. I didn't realize he suited up yesterday until I looked at the stat sheet to see he had 4 tackles.

Aqib Talib - I will give him credit for not actually blowing out his hip this year especially in the playoffs, but maybe he should have yesterday because his back up couldn't have done much worse covering TY Hilton. Talib overall had a good year, but was a liability when it mattered most.

TJ Ward - He is basically Patrick Chung with better publicity and paycheck. Both are solid against the run and covering close to the line and awful in intermediate and deep coverage. And I would argue Chung is better that Ward in that latter.

Emanuel Sanders - He is probably the only addition who was solid all year and didn't let the team down.

Wes Welker - Ok, this is cheating a bit since he was an addition from the year before. But it is just depressing to watch Wes play this year. He is a shell of his former self and plays scared (after building a career of playing fearlessly). Part of me was glad to see Wes give himself up and dive to the ground in the open field last night instead of taking the hit, but the other part of me shed a tear to see that he is a shell of his former self and avoids contact at all cost. It tells me he should have retired after the season. He knew the concussions were a huge issue and risked his own health for one more shot at a ring.

The fact of the matter is there hasn't been an "all in" team that has won the Super Bowl in over a decade. I think the last one who might fit that category is the Broncos of the late 90s. It is a poor strategy to win a Super Bowl. And history proves that.

I guess you could argue that the Broncos went "all in" a year too late since Manning is probably the biggest reason they lost yesterday. But even if Manning was still THE old Manning yesterday instead of being AN old Manning, it wouldn't have stopped Ware from being invisible or Talib and Ward getting burnt in coverage yesterday.

Actually looked it up he took a 9yd sack vs throwing it away which caused the fg to be 47 yds and gost missed it and of course then the Neslon TD. In my mind this sequence cost us that game.

Kdo5 said:

So Brady was more directly responsible than the defense?

Brady gave them the ball back (admittedly a real bad play). But the defense let them go about 50 yards down the field to score a TD with seconds left. The defense shat the bed in the early third quarter. As bad a play as it was, if the defense played the game like we expected of them it might've been a 3 point swing at best.

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Yeah actually he was because he threw the interception. No interception.......no Ravens TD.

"But the defense let them......................." blah blah blah nonsense is why this was pointed out to you.

Dagg said:

Didnt he do this against GB as well? He has been a mess before half this year so uncharacteristic prob laid more eggs this year then his entire career.

That said he had most yds ever n playoff game couldnt have played that bad,

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Umm, no. He's been either really good or really bad during the last two minutes of the first half.

The Pats scored points in first-half two-minute drills in at least nine games this season.

AndyJohnson said:

...is inarguably a GREAT performance. If it isn't, what is?

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Said no one ever about a Felger and Mazz show.