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John Fox is out in Denver


Jay Glazer on FS1 is implying that the relationship between Fox's staff and Elway wasn't good. Sounds like a lot of **** was going on behind the scenes there for a while now.

Really hard to imagine Manning is coming back to this mess, unless Elway plans on making him the first player-coach of the SB era.
 
Prediction: Peyton Manning talking to Tony Dungy to come out of retirement?
 
RIP to possibly the most obnoxious team in recent memory. So much for going all in, huh?

Also, I've always been of the mind that Fox is a terrible head coach. Look at how he "prepared" his team for Super Bowl 48. Look at his time management that cost them the Baltimore game in 2012. Look at how he ran Carolina into the ground after their 13-3 season. All of his success has been due to the talent on his teams, not his prowess as a coach.
 
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"Got the whole coaching staff canned"
 
RIP to possibly the most obnoxious team in recent memory. So much for going all in, huh?

Also, I've always been of the mind that Fox is a terrible head coach. Look at how he "prepared" his team for Super Bowl 48. Look at his time management that cost them the Baltimore game in 2012. Look at how he ran Carolina into the ground after their 13-3 season. All of his success has been due to the talent on his teams, not his prowess as a coach.
He definitely is a mediocre HC who prefers dinosaur football and shrivels up in the big spots. All that said, he was in the playoffs for 4 straight years- yes with a talented team and a HoF QB, but still. This move reeks of dysfunction.
 
Jets west...perfect. I don't think P6 is back in Denver next year.
 
That coach did not deserve to lose his job. If anyone does it is the GM and the players. They are the ones who brought these players in and they didn't live up.
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The players DID live up. The team had the 2nd seed. The players were good enough to win if Manning played well. Manning didn't play well.
 
Jets west...perfect. I don't think P6 is back in Denver next year.

Remember earlier this season when the Denver writer along with many experts proclaimed that team as the greatest ever.
 
Fox took 2 teams to the Super Bowl, a feat that's rarely done. I wasn't his hugest fan but given how few quality coaches there appears to be this is a bad move IMO. Also given how Manning has played over the 2nd half, I think Denver actually overachieved finishing 12-4.
 
Peyton Manning just cost an entire coaching staff their jobs.

That the did. Though I actually thought that for all intents and purposes Manning was the coach. Wasn't there a game in PM's first year there where Fox wanted to punt and Manning told him no and Fox capitulated?
 
This firing obviously wasn't because of performance. Although we can only speculate as to the root cause, it's pretty safe to assume that there was some behind-the-scenes friction between the coaching staff and the front office.
 
I DON'T CARE, I CANT STAND IT!!!!!!

Why can't the Patriots ever go "all in" like the Broncos???????????????????

I was going to dig that thread up but you've got it covered
 
He definitely is a mediocre HC who prefers dinosaur football and shrivels up in the big spots. All that said, he was in the playoffs for 4 straight years- yes with a talented team and a HoF QB, but still. This move reeks of dysfunction.

Gotta stick up for Fox. Fox won a playoff game with Tim Tebow, and redesigned his offense mid season to suit such a limited QB. He took Jake Delhomme to the playoffs multiple times and 1 Superbowl. Him and his coaching staff were the ones making the gutsy call in OT that allowed Tebow, a quarterback who couldn't throw, to make that clutch pass to beat the Steelers. Him and his coaching staff also made the gutsy call called Clown X on 3rd and long in double OT that allowed Steve Smith to score his game winning touchdown from Jake Delhomme against the Rams en route to the Superbowl. Just like with Tebow, most of their wins were in OT, which included blocked FG and even PATs on the D side of the ball, clutch kicking situations, or in the last seconds and minutes of the game throughout the season.


I wouldn't call that shriveling in big spots. His 2003 Panthers were nicknamed the Cardiac Cats for a reason. They set record for their amount of OT wins on the road, and the way they won close games, and his Tebows were really the only ones in recent history that I can remember to repeat that type of season since then. John Fox's teams may have been a bore to watch, especially for the first 3 quarters of the game, and certainly conservative, but didn't shrivel, and certainly had his share of very dramatic, high pressure, clutch wins. He was of no stranger to close games, with having Jake Delhomme leading the league at one point, with 34 comebacks and game winning comebacks. Most of the time, because of his conservative nature, he was in very tight, nail biting games.

Unfortunately his HOF QB is the one who shrivels up in the playoffs.
 
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Perhaps he capitulated to that HOF QB way too much as well. I doubt he felt he could call whatever he wanted.

It probably wasn't Fox's idea to go out and sign Talib, DeMarcus Ware etc... either. His GM handed him a bunch of high priced egos and said "here, make this work". Results may vary based upon attitude, effort, and a willingness to buy in.
 
It probably wasn't Fox's idea to go out and sign Talib, DeMarcus Ware etc... either. His GM handed him a bunch of high priced egos and said "here, make this work". Results may vary based upon attitude and effort.

Well on that topic, even though we will never know, if I had to assume, he probably liked that. He was very stubborn about vets in Carolina. Loves his vets. One of the reasons he got ousted was because he kept stubbornly wanting to hang on to them as opposed to rebuilding with young players and paid big money for them. On that topic, Fox does have a problem, somewhat like Rex. Overly loyal and quick to take veteran free agents, and stick with them longer than he should.
 
I DON'T CARE, I CANT STAND IT!!!!!!

Why can't the Patriots ever go "all in" like the Broncos???????????????????
You aren't gonna let that one go, are you? :p
 
I'm sort of iffy with this because the Broncos went with a way of building a team that does not work. You do not win by bringing in free agent after free agent. That being said, fox isn't a great coach, but he is okay. Whether he should have not been brought back or not, I don't know
I was assured NE was doing it wrong by not following their example!
 


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