Seahawks look scary

Saying Seattle's defense isn't as good as last year is the same thing as sleeping with Megan Fox, getting dumped yet rebounding with Natalie Portman.

Seattle's defense is so far and way better than anyone else's in the NFL you just make yourself look and sound stupid trying to argue that this is a weakness. Between Sherman, Wagner, Kam, Thomas and Bennett they literally have 5 of the best defensive players in the entire NFL all on the same team. I mean really there are maybe only 3-4 guys who are better defensive players than those 5.

I can't even think of a dominant duo of safeties ever in NFL history quite like Thomas/Kam. It's like having Ed Reed and Troy Polamolu in their primes together.

strngplyr said:

Theres a bit under a month until the SB and Rogers has access to the best rehabilitation money can afford. He's not going to be in the same position as Gronk suffering a high ankle sprain 2 weeks before the SB. He's been recovering since December.

The Seahawks should be a better matchup for us, they look so dominant lately because they're playing teams who can't even pretend to have a competent offense on the field.

KC, ARIx2, CAR, SFx2, Mark Sanchez led Eagles, etc. If Rogers continues to get time to get healthy then they are the NFC's best team by quite a large margin right now. If a still maybe hobbled Rogers can out duel Wilson and then get 2 additional weeks to rest GB will be the SB favorite.

I'm talking way too many if's though. We need to beat the Colts and the NFCCG still needs to be played.

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Quite a large margin? Really? You think the packers are by a large margin better than the Seahawks?

hieroglyphics said:

Quite a large margin? Really? You think the packers are by a large margin better than the Seahawks?

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If Rodgers is at 100%, yes. Seattle has been getting low % offensive plays working and defensively shutting down awful offenses. They're overrated. Green Bay has the generations next best QB after Brady and Manning and some of the best receivers in the game.

strngplyr said:

If Rodgers is at 100%, yes. Seattle has been getting low % offensive plays working and defensively shutting down awful offenses. They're overrated. Green Bay has the generations next best QB after Brady and Manning and some of the best receivers in the game.

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Green Bay was lit up by Seattle early this year when Rodgers was 100%.

Green Bays defense tho vs. Seattle's O just isn't really a good matchup. Wilson should run circles over their garbage D and Lynch will wear them down.

Here are the QBs (with their league QB Rating ranking) the Seahawks have played during their "scary" 7 game winning streak.

Ryan Lindley (34th)
Drew Stanton (31st)
Mark Sanchez (27th)
Shaun Hill (24th)
Cam Newton (21st)
Colin Kaepernick (20th)
Colin Kaepernick (20th)

Chargers scored 30 on them
Cowboys scored 30 on them
Rams scored 28 on them
Chiefs scored 24 on them
Raiders scored 24 on them

Seahawks strengths play to the Pats weaknesses. They'll play the Patriots tougher than their recent body of work will suggest. Remember the "Ravens haven't beat a winning team besides the Steelers"? How 90% of the board thought we'd blow them out and that J0e Flacco hadn't played anyone and just relies on the refs? We needed Brady to bail the entire team out to pull ahead. Let's not fall into the same trap shall we?

Personally, I would much rather play the Seahawks, but I can see both sides.

Remember that we were whipping up on the Seahawks out in Seattle during the 2012 season 23-10 (Brady also mismanaged a critical time situation at the end of the 1st half which removed an easy FG, so it really should've been 26-10) with 6 min left.

Of course, everyone remembers Tavon Wilson not doing his job properly and allowing the Seahawks to throw 2 long bombs in the last 5-6 min of the game to win by a point.

supafly said:

Personally, I would much rather play the Seahawks, but I can see both sides.

Remember that we were whipping up on the Seahawks out in Seattle during the 2012 season 23-10 (Brady also mismanaged a critical time situation at the end of the 1st half which removed an easy FG, so it really should've been 26-10) with 6 min left.

Of course, everyone remembers Tavon Wilson not doing his job properly and allowing the Seahawks to throw 2 long bombs in the last 5-6 min of the game to win by a point.

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Yup, everyone is scared of the Seahawks because of the media blow job they're currently receiving. I believe that either Dallas or Greenbay playing how they did today probably beats Seattle.

I previously thought that Carolina was the best matchup for them because they're basically clones with subpar receiving corps and above average running games relying on their defenses to keep a low scoring offense in the game but I'm really questioning if Seattle can currently keep pace with GB. Rodgers looked fantastic in the 2nd half today and I don't know if even Seattle's "vaunted" defense stops him.

I might be a part of the few but I want Seattle if we have the privilege of playing in the Super Bowl this season.

I do honestly believe we're the best team standing, but that doesn't mean that I want what I see as a more difficult matchup to the world championship.

Any given Sunday.

The seahwaks/packers better go hide because TFB will be coming for them and he IS scary

strngplyr said:

Yup, everyone is scared of the Seahawks because of the media blow job they're currently receiving. I believe that either Dallas or Greenbay playing how they did today probably beats Seattle.

I previously thought that Carolina was the best matchup for them because they're basically clones with subpar receiving corps and above average running games relying on their defenses to keep a low scoring offense in the game but I'm really questioning if Seattle can currently keep pace with GB. Rodgers looked fantastic in the 2nd half today and I don't know if even Seattle's "vaunted" defense stops him.

I might be a part of the few but I want Seattle if we have the privilege of playing in the Super Bowl this season.

I do honestly believe we're the best team standing, but that doesn't mean that I want what I see as a more difficult matchup to the world championship.

Any given Sunday.

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I just feel that Rodgers and all of those weapons are very difficult to try and defend. I think that our defense is moving in a good direction and has played well, but I also don't believe that it's quite as good as some here want to make it out to be.

I'd rather roll the dice against another tough defense, as opposed to trying to defend against all of those weapons. To take it one step further, SEA is obviously not the same team away from home.

supafly said:

I just feel that Rodgers and all of those weapons are very difficult to try and defend. I think that our defense is moving in a good direction and has played well, but I also don't believe that it's quite as good as some here want to make it out to be.

I'd rather roll the dice against another tough defense, as opposed to trying to defend against all of those weapons. To take it one step further, SEA is obviously not the same team away from home.

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I'm 100% with you. If we take care of the Colts I definitely prefer to see SEA.

We have the QB who is smart enough to figure out tough defenses. I love our defense and agree they're trending upwards as a unit but I'd rather Brady against a good D than our D against a great O any day of the week until Brady retires.

And I mean no disrespect to anything against our defensive unit, they've been oustanding in 2014, but Tom Brady is the GOAT. He'll always be our strength.

strngplyr said:

I'm 100% with you. If we take care of the Colts I definitely prefer to see SEA.

We have the QB who is smart enough to figure out tough defenses. I love our defense and agree they're trending upwards as a unit but I'd rather Brady against a good D than our D against a great O any day of the week until Brady retires.

And I mean no disrespect to anything against our defensive unit, they've been oustanding in 2014, but Tom Brady is the GOAT. He'll always be our strength.

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I don't understand this line of thinking. Pats haven't lost a playoff shoot out since 2006 AFCCG. Conversely, almost every playoff loss since the offense has managed just 14 to 17 points against a good defense.

tombonneau said:

I don't understand this line of thinking. Pats haven't lost a playoff shoot out since 2006 AFCCG. Conversely, almost every playoff loss since the offense has managed just 14 to 17 points against a good defense when the game was in contention.

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You didn't like the offensive job that Brady and Belichick did vs. SEA last time? I thought they did a great job, especially considering the fact that it was in SEA. The Seahawks aren't quite the same team away from home.

Personally, I don't like the fact that even if we manage to stop both Nelson and Cobb, we'll still get beat with Devonte Adams just like last time. There are just too many weapons on Green Bay, and that's not even including RB Lacy or TE Quarless, both who contributed quite nicely today against DAL.

hieroglyphics said:

Saying Seattle's defense isn't as good as last year is the same thing as sleeping with Megan Fox, getting dumped yet rebounding with Natalie Portman.

Seattle's defense is so far and way better than anyone else's in the NFL you just make yourself look and sound stupid trying to argue that this is a weakness. Between Sherman, Wagner, Kam, Thomas and Bennett they literally have 5 of the best defensive players in the entire NFL all on the same team. I mean really there are maybe only 3-4 guys who are better defensive players than those 5.

I can't even think of a dominant duo of safeties ever in NFL history quite like Thomas/Kam. It's like having Ed Reed and Troy Polamolu in their primes together.

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Ha ha.

Seattle's defense is awesome, but to say that they have 5 of the top 8-9 defensive players in the league is clinically crazy. Kam Chancellor is a very good player, but Troy Polamalu in his prime? Come on.

Football Outsiders, which looks at quality of opponents and not just stats like "yards gained" and "points allowed" ranks Seattle #1 in the NFL. Last year, however, they were in a completely different class, way above every other team in the league. This year, they are in the same class, separated by very little, from about 5-6 teams, who by the way, include Buffalo, Detroit, and Denver, three teams that we had no trouble moving the ball against.

Finally, Seattle's pass rush is not that great. They ranked 18th in the league in sacks this season despite that all-pro secondary. The teams that have historically given the Patriots problems are the ones that can get into the backfield consistently.

Russell Wilson scares me. He is extremely clutch and just an awesome QB, and mobile QBs always kill us.

Not sure who I'd rather see the Patriots play if they make the SB...both teams are really good.

supafly said:

Personally, I would much rather play the Seahawks, but I can see both sides.

Remember that we were whipping up on the Seahawks out in Seattle during the 2012 season 23-10 (Brady also mismanaged a critical time situation at the end of the 1st half which removed an easy FG, so it really should've been 26-10) with 6 min left.

Of course, everyone remembers Tavon Wilson not doing his job properly and allowing the Seahawks to throw 2 long bombs in the last 5-6 min of the game to win by a point.

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It's a tough call but I agree with you Sup (by a small margin). One thing I base this on is our pass rush. If we can't rush the passer well then, hey!, at least we can rush with a solid plan for containment being the focus. And if containment is the emphasis -- and assuming we can perform it satisfactory -- I'd rather go up against Wilson than a healthy Rodgers. Wilson is definitely not slouch, however, if contained in the pocket I'd rather face Wilson and those weapons versus Rodgers and his weapons (if the don't contain the QBs satisfactory?? I'm not sure it matters -- it will probably be a bad day for the Patriots either way).

Is that enough to offset Seattle having the better D? Good question with an answer of I don't know . I would note this: The best defense, Seattle, playing in their own 12th man stadium went up against by far the worst scoring team in the playoffs, Carolina. IMHO a scary D all but shuts them out in that scenario. They don't give up 10 -- it was only a 4 point lead in the 4th quarter -- or even that junk time additional TD. Seattle's D played well to be sure, however, I didn't see scary.

supafly said:

You didn't like the offensive job that Brady and Belichick did vs. SEA last time? I thought they did a great job, especially considering the fact that it was in SEA. The Seahawks aren't quite the same team away from home.

Personally, I don't like the fact that even if we manage to stop both Nelson and Cobb, we'll still get beat with Devonte Adams just like last time. There are just too many weapons on Green Bay, and that's not even including RB Lacy or TE Quarless, both who contributed quite nicely today against DAL.

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My point is everyone always worry about the D getting abused when the reality is every playoff loss is due to Brady and the OL wilting in the face of a great defense.

Hence, I'd rather play GB, despite the success Brady had a few years in Seattle throwing to Aaron Hernandez.

tombonneau said:

My point is everyone always worry about the D getting abused when the reality is every playoff loss is due to Brady and the OL wilting in the face of a great defense.

Hence, I'd rather play GB, despite the success Brady had a few years in Seattle throwing to Aaron Hernandez.

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No, I get it, and I think you have a very valid point. I'm just stating my preference. It's a tough call either way, but I'll take the tough defensive matchup. I think we had a bunch of those this year that may have allowed the team to become battle tested.

We'll see if this conversation is even needed after Sunday. Have to respect the Colts even if the matchup is much better than DEN.

Seattle played well but that game was 100% on Cam Newton. He is terrible. If Dallas had won, I think they could have gone in there and won. And that push off from Kearse was the most obvious non call of the weekend!

Cam newton seemed to move the ball fairly well on seattle. Their DBs couldn't contain kelvin benjamin. Problem is that carolna couldn't finish their drives.

Oh and paul richardson, their promising your WR that replacd percy harvin, is done for the year with a torn ACL. They only have three recivers now to account for - baldwin, kearse and luke wilson. Those guys are dangerous, but not world beaters. Baltimore arguably had a better TE in owen daniels, and steve smith and torrey smith are better than seattle's WRs. They are essentially a souped up version of baltimore.

lmao ... shoe peeing has started already .. Can the Patriots beat the Colts? We shall see .. But man ... 3 weeks away, and terror is already over NE ..