Refs blow it again! Dez Bryant non-catch in Cowboys - Packers game

IndyKen · Jan 11, 2015

Terrible, terrible, terrible. I'm so sick of the ticky tacky rules & refs when it comes to pass completions. That was a catch - he had total control of it as he was headed to the ground. Pure BS NFL, pure BS.

Sydney · Jan 11, 2015

Deus Irae said:
How did the officials 'costed' another team their season by making the correct call? Saying that is as stupid as saying the officials 'costed' the Raiders the Tuck Bowl by getting the call right.

Edit: Sydney, either learn the rules or stop following the sport.

Oh, so offended that I disagree with you, huh?

It's a catch. He made several steps and stretched the ball out. That's a football move.

Deus Irae · Jan 11, 2015

Sydney said:
Oh, so offended that I disagree with you, huh?

It's a catch. He made several steps and stretched the ball out. That's a football move.

I'm not offended that you disagree. Disagreement would be fine, if you actually knew the rule. Since you think that was a catch, you obviously don't know the rule.

letekro · Jan 11, 2015

Deus Irae said:
Overturning it, and calling it an incompletion, was the right call.

Edit: And whoever Sydney is, (s)he needs to learn the rules.

It comes down to whether the reach for the pylon was part of the catch or a separate football move. To me, it looks like he made the catch and them made a move to the pylon. In the end, a judgment call that probably comes down to where the game is being played. No way they take that catch away in Dallas.

Deus Irae · Jan 11, 2015

letekro said:
It comes down to whether the reach for the pylon was part of the catch or a separate football move. To me, it looks like he made the catch and them made a move to the pylon. In the end, a judgment call that probably comes down to where the game is being played. No way they take that catch away in Dallas.

Perreira broke it down, multiple times. It was a textbook example of a non-catch. You can hate the outcome, and you can hate the rule, but that's not the same as the play being a catch under today's rules.

reflexblue · Jan 11, 2015

reflexblue said:
in todays nfl that isn't a catch, in fact going back ten years or more that wasn't a catch, he didn't have control of it on the way down and then part of the ball hit the ground. no part of the ball can hit the ground. a real good example of a similar catch that was ok was edelmans catch yesterday, he had one hand on top of the ball and the other Underneath it so in essence the ground didn't help him maintain control. Also you don't know if the cowboys would have scored a td or settled for a field goal. Plus there was plenty of time left for gb to get the ball and score. so you can't really with any certainty that the refs blew the game on that call.

Deus is right Sydney, you need to learn the rules. maybe sydneys the dallas fan that bet his grand kids college tuition money on the 'boys?

Triumph · Jan 11, 2015

The ball hit the ground and came loose.

NO CATCH

Patriot Missile · Jan 11, 2015

reflexblue said:
in todays nfl that isn't a catch, in fact going back ten years or more that wasn't a catch, he didn't have control of it on the way down and then part of the ball hit the ground. no part of the ball can hit the ground. a real good example of a similar catch that was ok was edelmans catch yesterday, he had one hand on top of the ball and the other Underneath it so in essence the ground didn't help him maintain control. Also you don't know if the cowboys would have scored a td or settled for a field goal. Plus there was plenty of time left for gb to get the ball and score. so you can't really with any certainty that the refs blew the game on that call.

I thought he had possession of the ball before he hit the ground. Bryant actually secured it while in the air and then extended his arm towards the end zone to make the TD where the ground caused the fumble. I'm going to disagree with Deus and yourself without being a b@&$h using the disagree button that is reserved for trolls and idiots.

Sydney · Jan 11, 2015

Deus Irae said:
I'm not offended that you disagree. Disagreement would be fine, if you actually knew the rule. Since you think that was a catch, you obviously don't know the rule.

I know the rules, thanks. To me, that was clear possession. Dez had control throughout. He made several steps and made a football move.

You can disagree with me on that, but saying that I need to stop following the sport? Petty insults. Nice.

Halifax_Pats_Fan · Jan 11, 2015

I get your point that is the rule, the interpretation of the rule is not the issue, the rule itself is the issue, at least for me...to me he had control of the ball, he secured the ball. And by the way I think you should just go back to saying the ball is secured and let the refs interpret that. At least that will eliminate the interpretation of the rule as it stands currently...there will always be grey area, but take away the grey area that makes no sense.

Does that make sense?

It makes sense to me anyways...

Deus Irae · Jan 11, 2015

Sydney said:
I know the rules, thanks.

Obviously not

letekro · Jan 11, 2015

Triumph said:
The ball hit the ground and came loose.

NO CATCH

If it were that simple! Somebody excerpted the rule in the other thread. They could have just as easily ruled it a catch followed by a reach to the pylon. Since they were in GB they did not do this.

deters · Jan 11, 2015

How in the hell is that not a catch? What a bunch of BS.

letekro · Jan 11, 2015

deus, post-game Pereira said he didnt think that bryant extended his arm far enough to be considered a separate football move. He said "thats the question". It was a judgment call--not a bright line rule like youre suggesting.

buile · Jan 11, 2015

Well, not sure I know the rules, and I didn't hear Perreira... but what I understand is: the "football move" concept is no longer the rule. It was replaced by "a moment of time." However, if the receiver is in contact with the defender during the catch, he has to maintain possession of the ball all the way to the ground.

Apparently, the refs believe there was contact with the defender taking him to the ground... in that case, the "ground causing the fumble" actually means he didn't control the ball all the way through the process of being taken to the ground.

scarpad · Jan 11, 2015

Nah it wasn't a catch, didn't have control thru play

reflexblue · Jan 11, 2015

Patriot Missile said:
I thought he had possession of the ball before he hit the ground. Bryant actually secured it while in the air and then extended his arm towards the end zone to make the TD where the ground caused the fumble. I'm going to disagree with Deus and yourself without being a b@&$h using the disagree button that is reserved for trolls and idiots.

Personally in my view it was a catch. it drives me crazy at how tick tack the nfl has gotten when it comes to what is a catch and what isn't . i don't care if it touches the ground it should be a catch if the receiver gets their hands on it. But from what i remember when bryant came down with it and the ball touched the ground and it came lose i figured it was going to be challenged. I don't think it was over the goal line, and even if it was he would have to have absolute control of the ball like edelman in yesterdays game.

Sydney · Jan 11, 2015

Deus Irae said:
Obviously not

Do you see what thread we're in? Have you been reading half of the other replies? Clearly there's more of an issue than you'd like to believe.

Deus Irae · Jan 11, 2015

letekro said:
deus, post-game Pereira said he didnt think that bryant extended his arm far enough to be considered a separate football move. He said "thats the question". It was a judgment call--not a bright line rule like youre suggesting.

No, Letekro. He said that the officials WOULD NOT consider that a football move.

That's a bright line.

BradyFTW! · Jan 11, 2015

That was a catch, and it never should have been overturned. But at least now idiots won't yell "Jerry's check cleared!" every time the Cowboys get a call.

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