Anyone else angry the Pats didn't review the Flacco fumble?

cclocke · Jan 10, 2015

Just outside the 2 minute warning, Flacco had what after replays appeared to be a possible fumble on third down. However, the refs called it incomplete which resulted in 4th and 3. While the fumble was recovered by Baltimore, they would have lost 10 yards or so and it would have been 4th and 13. Am I the only one who was screaming at my TV to challenge? To make matters worse, Belichick called a timeout after the play and still didn't challenge. Why not just challenge the play if you are going to use a timeout either way?

Luxusdk · Jan 10, 2015

cclocke said:
Just outside the 2 minute warning, Flacco had what after replays appeared to be a possible fumble on third down. However, the refs called it incomplete which resulted in 4th and 3. While the fumble was recovered by Baltimore, they would have lost 10 yards or so and it would have been 4th and 13. Am I the only one who was screaming at my TV to challenge? To make matters worse, Belichick called a timeout after the play and still didn't challenge. Why not just challenge the play if you are going to use a timeout either way?

Patriots didn't get the ball so it was only a matter of 4 yards. The fear of looseing a timeout in close close game, simply didnt make it worth challenge.

PATSNUTme · Jan 10, 2015

NO- it clearly was a pass.

DaBruinz · Jan 10, 2015

Luxusdk said:
Patriots didn't get the ball so it was only a matter of 4 yards. The fear of looseing a timeout in close close game, simply didnt make it worth challenge.

A loss of 4 yards in that situation would have made a huge difference, though.

Joey007 · Jan 10, 2015

No we won the game it's irrelevant now.

DaBruinz · Jan 10, 2015

PATSNUTme said:
NO- it clearly was a pass.

No, it wasn't clearly a pass, PNM. If you watched the replay that shows Chandler Jones hitting Flacco from behind, you'll see that Flacco actually had both hands on the ball when Jones knocks the ball out of his hands.. That's a fumble.

That being said. No. Not angry.. Just tired of the horrible inconsistency from the refs..

DefenseRules · Jan 10, 2015

honestly, I'm too emotionally drained to be angry about anything.

JMC00 · Jan 10, 2015

Not really. I think Bill was told there might not have been enough evidence.

cclocke · Jan 10, 2015

Luxusdk said:
Patriots didn't get the ball so it was only a matter of 4 yards. The fear of looseing a timeout in close close game, simply didnt make it worth challenge.

I'd agree with you, but they did take a timeout before the next play, so why not just challenge instead?

PYPER · Jan 10, 2015

I didn't see it as a fumble but don't understand how thats not grounding…He was in the tackle box, and threw it to no one to avoid the sack….It was classic grounding that the refs missed.

Marinlik · Jan 10, 2015

PYPER said:
I didn't see it as a fumble but don't understand how thats not grounding…He was in the tackle box, and threw it to no one to avoid the sack….It was classic grounding that the refs missed.

There was an eligible receiver right there. Brady does the same thing all the time. All good QBs do that

chicowalker · Jan 10, 2015

DaBruinz said:
No, it wasn't clearly a pass, PNM. If you watched the replay that shows Chandler Jones hitting Flacco from behind, you'll see that Flacco actually had both hands on the ball when Jones knocks the ball out of his hands.. That's a fumble.

That being said. No. Not angry.. Just tired of the horrible inconsistency from the refs..

You can actually see his right hand move forward, as he tried to sort of push it to Forsett.

PatsWickedPissah · Jan 10, 2015

DaBruinz said:
No, it wasn't clearly a pass, PNM. If you watched the replay that shows Chandler Jones hitting Flacco from behind, you'll see that Flacco actually had both hands on the ball when Jones knocks the ball out of his hands.. That's a fumble.

That being said. No. Not angry.. Just tired of the horrible inconsistency from the refs..

Flake tried a push/shovel 2 hand pass that went nowhere. There was a receiver within a few yards. The call was correct.

Patriot Missile · Jan 10, 2015

Forsett was in the vicinity.

rochrist · Jan 10, 2015

PatsWickedPissah said:
Flake tried a push/shovel 2 hand pass that went nowhere. There was a receiver within a few yards. The call was correct.

Pushing the ball if it's being knocked out of your hand still counts as a fumble. That came up in one of the games last week.

chicowalker · Jan 10, 2015

rochrist said:
Pushing the ball if it's being knocked out of your hand still counts as a fumble. That came up in one of the games last week.

But he hasn't fumbled it. He had control of the ball. He pumped, brought it back and then shoveled it toward a receiver (RB a couple yards away) while being hit.

PatsWickedPissah · Jan 10, 2015

rochrist said:
Pushing the ball if it's being knocked out of your hand still counts as a fumble. That came up in one of the games last week.

No a shovel pass is a forward pass

It's no different than a regular fwd pass where your arm is hit and the ball goes to the ground
The correct call

convertedpatsfan · Jan 10, 2015

I didn't really see much to it but I guess we could have challenged. We didn't know we were going to use the timeout right away though, as the Ravens called timeout first. I guess Bill could have thrown the challenge flag the second time though.

PATSYLICIOUS · Jan 10, 2015

I don't think it would have been overturned but I don't see a downside to trying at that point. Losing a TO and challenge then would have been virtually negligible.

rochrist · Jan 10, 2015

PatsWickedPissah said:
No a shovel pass is a forward pass

It's no different than a regular fwd pass where your arm is hit and the ball goes to the ground
The correct call

I'm not contending it wasn't. I didn't see it that well. What I'm saying is in the case where the QB is hit, and the ball is coming out, and he pushes it forward with his hand in the attempt to make it seem like a pass, it isn't.

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