Gronk unanimous All-Pro

ctpatsfan77 said:

Strictly speaking, they never have. The "second team" is actually the runners-up at a given position (so, for example, there is no second-team All-Pro TE this year, b/c GRONK got ALL the TE votes).

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But does Dan Connolly get a 2nd team all pro nod just for getting one vote?

Well deserved Gronk and Watt are like Messi and Ronaldo in their own planet

Barwin, Mosley, Timmons over Collins and Hightower?

Quinn over McCourty?

Congratulations to the 9 Patriots All-Pros

Rob Gronkowski: SB MVP

Fixit said:

But ... but ... Jimmy Graham!!!

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I remember ESPN asking a question on twitter. If both TEs are healthy, which would you want on your team? F***** Jimmy Graham won by quite a few votes, and I was pretty pissed. It was ridiculous. I can only assume people didn't read the part where ESPN said, "HEALTHY."

Joey007 said:

But does Dan Connolly get a 2nd team all pro nod just for getting one vote?

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No. The way it works is:

1. Each position is allotted N slots (1 QB, 2 WRs, etc.). That is the number of votes each voter gets at that position.
2. Votes are tallied. The top N players at the position are named First-Team. [If there's a tie, everyone at that number is First-Team.]
3. The next N players (plus any ties) are named Second-Team.

The Patriots' only Second-Team player was Gostkowski.

Whitt25 said:

I remember ESPN asking a question on twitter. If both TEs are healthy, which would you want on your team? F***** Jimmy Graham won by quite a few votes, and I was pretty pissed. It was ridiculous. I can only assume people didn't read the part where ESPN said, "HEALTHY."

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Twitter "Favorite/Retweet" polls are among the dumbest polling methods ever invented, since they're inherently biased toward the retweet option.

Deus Irae said:

Congratulations to the 9 Patriots All-Pros

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Getting an All-Pro vote does not make a player an All-Pro. All-Pro is a person who makes the 1st or 2nd team.

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Every other TE.

Actually does that mean the 2nd Team doesn't have a TE?

Miguel said:

Getting an All-Pro vote does not make a player an All-Pro. All-Pro is a person who makes the 1st or 2nd team.

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It was in the link titles on the up to the minute thing. I hadn't read any articles.

Rob Gronkowski, Darrelle Revis among Pats' nine All-Pros
Source: Boston Herald - January 2nd, 2015

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Jeff Howe was behind that screw up:

I think I completely screwed up my interpretation of the All-Pro voting...

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https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/551095062369955841

My mistake for not double checking

ctpatsfan77 said:

No. The way it works is:

1. Each position is allotted N slots (1 QB, 2 WRs, etc.). That is the number of votes each voter gets at that position.
2. Votes are tallied. The top N players at the position are named First-Team. [If there's a tie, everyone at that number is First-Team.]
3. The next N players (plus any ties) are named Second-Team.

The Patriots' only Second-Team player was Gostkowski.

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d%#*!@t so Brady lost the Second team all pro nod by one vote to Romo..

TBR said:

Barwin, Mosley, Timmons over Collins and Hightower?

Quinn over McCourty?

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I don't understand this huge hype with Timmons.

Joel Bitonio, the guy I thought the Pats should pick, gets 1 All-Pro vote. Meanwhile the Pats O-Line is in shambles and Easley has majory injury questions. Hopefully all may work out in the long run.

TBR said:

Barwin, Mosley, Timmons over Collins and Hightower?

Quinn over McCourty?

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McCourty didn't really do anything that was all that All-Pro worthy. For the most part he sat back in cover 1 for probably 60-70% of his snaps, and didn't really have a tangible impact on a lot of plays. He was a solid player, but out of all the 64 other starting safeties in the NFL he didn't really do all that much to distinguish himself as a top 2 safety.

Fixit said:

But ... but ... Jimmy Graham!!!

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My stupid Saints "fan" of a friend will still insist that Graham is better.

McClusky said:

McCourty didn't really do anything that was all that All-Pro worthy. For the most part he sat back in cover 1 for probably 60-70% of his snaps, and didn't really have a tangible impact on a lot of plays. He was a solid player, but out of all the 64 other starting safeties in the NFL he didn't really do all that much to distinguish himself as a top 2 safety.

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Oh look a new McCourty detractor. Let me know if all you are gonna do on here is complain about McCourty so I can ignore you now.

Gronkandez said:

Joel Bitonio, the guy I thought the Pats should pick, gets 1 All-Pro vote. Meanwhile the Pats O-Line is in shambles and Easley has majory injury questions. Hopefully all may work out in the long run.

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Shambles? Really?

JMC00 said:

I'm absolutely shocked that Manning didn't get 1 vote. You'd figure one of his ballwashers would throw him a vote.

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Not the way he has played the last month.

JMC00 said:

Oh look a new McCourty detractor. Let me know if all you are gonna do on here is complain about McCourty so I can ignore you now.

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I certainly plan on talking about a lot more than just McCourty. I'm interested in having a good discussion on the talents and merits of all thing Patriots. If saying that McCourty was a good, but not great player this year makes me a detractor, then I guess I'm a detractor. He schematically played a position that is extremely hard to make a big impact. He was a prototypical Patriots player this year and just did his job. Unfortunately for him his job was lining up 15 yards off the LOS, taking a ten step drop in coverage, and breaking on a vertical route depending on his assignment. If you're not Ed Reed it's really hard to be an impact player as a cover 1 safety.

If we're talking about an All-Pro team, it's hard to argue McCourty against the guy who led the NFL in interceptions. If you find that ignore worthy then go ahead and ignore me.