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Pats WR depth is pretty bad IMO. They have Lafell and Edelman. That's it. Amendola is the #3 WR but he can't be counted on for a big role if Edelman were to go down. There's a reason his stats for the year are 27 rec 200 yds 1 TD...and that reason is he's just not that good of a player anymore. Lafell is a good player but hardly a #1 WR.

Those teams you mentioned...

Broncos: DT and Sanders are MUCH better than a Lafell/Edelman combo
Steelers: Brown is one of the best receivers in football, he led the league in catches/yards this year. Bell is one of the best RB's in football. Their offense is in trouble if Bell can't play though.
Bengals: Green is a top WR, Sanu is a pretty good WR as well. Stepped up big when Green was out. Hill/Bernard are better than any of the Pats RBs.
Ravens: They don't have much outside of the two Smiths and Forsett
Colts: Hilton is much better than any of the Pats WR's, Wayne is a solid move the chains guy still but he's been injured, Nicks is OK as a WR3. Their TE's are both pretty good.

In your analysis, you mention every other team's offensive weapons and capabilities but exclude the best TE in football, Vereen's 52 catches and Wright's 26 catches, 6TDs and 79% catch success rate.

Thats about as fair and balanced as FOX News or MSNBC
 
I don't know if this is what you meant, but we are basically saying the same thing. Other than the Colts, no team have much depth after their first 2 options.

The Steelers have

Brown
Bryant
Wheaton

to go along with Miller and Bell. Pitt started off just 3-3, then went 8-2 after putting Bryant into the lineup.
 
I don't know if this is what you meant, but we are basically saying the same thing. Other than the Colts, no team have much depth after their first 2 options.

Welker had a 50 (49) catch season despite dealing with the concussion issue and missing games.

D. Thomas
Sanders
Welker

to go along with Anderson and J. Thomas.
 
Looking at the weapons more accurately....

Denver
Thomas #1, Manny Sanders, Thomas #2 vs. Gronk, Edelman and LaFell

Fully healthy, I may grant Denver the edge here, but it isn't by very much. Gronk is the biggest dual threat and match up advantage, Thomas #1 the best pure receiver. Sanders and Edelman are pretty much a wash. Thomas #2 is basically a large receiver, though he sees some favorable coverage because most teams don't have the depth NE has at CB.

Where do you go from there? Welker? He's no better than Amendola at this point. CJ Anderson? I like him, but much of his success was due to teams overplaying the pass and Virgil Green's blocking. Buffalo and SD held him to under 3 ypc and Cincy contained him (even though his stats were pretty solid). Definitely as asset, but not someone you have to game plan for and certainly no bigger a problem than any of NE's RBs. Even if you put Anderson at the top, NE has much better depth.

So, basically, NE is no worse than marginally worse than the depth chart that is supposedly "MUCH better."

I intended on breaking it down for every team, but I'm not sure that's necessary any more. The Steelers are basically the Bell/Brown show, who account for a ridiculous 58% of the team's total yardage between them. From there you have a bunch of good guys, but none that are at the Edelman level. Maybe Miller is a LaFell caliber TE, but I'd say he is a little lower and all the receivers certainly are. NE definitely has the edge in top three, but Pitt has a sizable advantage in depth.

Baltimore has little other than their top two wideouts. Forsett has had a nice year, but he's got to play some truly terrible run defenses and the run blocking deserves a great deal of credit.

The fact that he even tried to make a case for the Colts being comparable to NE illuminates the bias in his argument. Cincy might have a case with the emergence of Hill, but the QB is awful.
 
I really didn't see the Pats do any intricate game planning after the Lions game. Seemed to me like in season vanilla. Working on basics, they knew they could afford 1 loss and still get 1st seed.

After KC, CIN,BUF, JETS,CHI ?(season on the line) DEN, INDY, DET, GB,SD,MIA in a row you wouldn't be normal if you didn't have a let down. The Jets and bills then come to play their sb's. BB cares about having a healthy team for playoffs even if it meant 2nd seed. And I feel esp with GB he wanted to hide something

Having said that, I never really thought the offense ever really found its rhythm this year.
 
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3 of the 5 AFC competitors have the 3 WR capabilities that the Patriots don't. Of the remaining two, the Ravens were looking to be a 2WR/2 TE team, but Pitta went down with a hip injury, and the Bengals were looking to do the same, but Eifert got hurt for them.
 
Welker had a 50 (49) catch season despite dealing with the concussion issue and missing games.

D. Thomas
Sanders
Welker

to go along with Anderson and J. Thomas.

Welker has 49 catched in 14 games...that's 3.5 catches per game.
He's not the guy he was for the Pats, not even close.
There's a reason why DT and Sanders were targeted 80 more times (each) than Welker.

If the Broncos had so many weapons, then why Sanders and Thomas accounted for 53.5% of Manning's targets in 2014 ?

J Thomas is a good receiving target, but is always injured and not a great blocker. And let's wait on Anderson...he has had a great half season, but he wasn't even the Broncos 2nd RB coming out of training camp. Both Gray and Blount have the same ypc average than Anderson.
 
The Steelers have

Brown
Bryant
Wheaton

to go along with Miller and Bell. Pitt started off just 3-3, then went 8-2 after putting Bryant into the lineup.

If you are including Bryant as a great WR, then why not Wright for the Pats...Bryant has 26 catches in 10 games. What is so special...Bryant has about the same number of catches per game than Dobson has last year. Really, Brown-Bryant-Wheaton-Miller is that much better than Gronk-Edelman-LaFell-Wright ?

Bell is much better than anybody the Pats have, but now he's injured and who can replace him ? The only depth they had at RB is now our starter.
 
3 of the 5 AFC competitors have the 3 WR capabilities that the Patriots don't. Of the remaining two, the Ravens were looking to be a 2WR/2 TE team, but Pitta went down with a hip injury, and the Bengals were looking to do the same, but Eifert got hurt for them.

Why is it so important that we use 3 WR, as opposed to two TE, pass catching running back, etc?

I for one don't want Gronk to get less targets so a #3 receiver can get more.
 
the #1 scoring team in the league sucks on O...ok got it
 
And, by the way, if we don't includ the obligatory game against Buffalo, but do include the first foour poor efforts, we have the highest scoring team in all football. Include buffalo we still are #4.

I'm concerned about sluggish starts but, after the mid season we put on against some of the best in the game, I simply think every team is focused on preparing for us, because we had the best offense in the league.
 
In your analysis, you mention every other team's offensive weapons and capabilities but exclude the best TE in football, Vereen's 52 catches and Wright's 26 catches, 6TDs and 79% catch success rate.

Thats about as fair and balanced as FOX News or MSNBC

Woops, yeah re-read that. My bad. Originally the post was going to be about Pats WR depth compared to other teams but then I started comparing other teams weapons to our WR's mid way through which makes no sense. This is what happens when you post at work getting side tracked. :oops:
 
Woops, yeah re-read that. My bad. Originally the post was going to be about Pats WR depth compared to other teams but then I started comparing other teams weapons to our WR's mid way through which makes no sense. This is what happens when you post at work getting side tracked. :oops:

I'm off this week so I have the luxury of nit-piking posts. :p
 
big thread, I didn't read everything and you guys are bashing the op, but trolling or not, the concerns are legit. I have a hard time seeing this offense putting 27 points in the scoreboard, that's why I think the Colts are not that piece of cake that some think. Because Luck will deliver at least 2 TDS, then **** happens in a game, you have a fumble, a quarter of bad football and then you have to comeback to the game, last year Tom put up a lot of extraordinary comebacks, this year though, if I recall correctly we only had a comeback against San Diego, and that was an awful game, San Diego is awful.

This team although is better than last year, is a team built to lead up front and hold on the edge. If we have to comeback 17 points in the second half we are done.
 
486 points ... good for 4th in the NFL
I must be missing it ...
 
I share your concerns. Not sure why you are getting so much hate. I realize there are alot of homers here but my god. I think if the patriots win the SB it will be because the defense played at an elite level. We still have gronk tho so that gives me hope that the offense can do just enough to get the job done.
 
486 points ... good for 4th in the NFL
I must be missing it ...

What you are missing is that the offense appears to have tailed off over the final month of the season. The offense has not looked like the high-scoring unit from the middle of the season. The questions are:

1) Why?
2) What to do about it heading into the playoffs?

One obvious area of potential improvement would be to get the running game going. The Pats passing success earlier in the year was frequently driven by play action giving Brady time in the pocket. With less than spectacular running results, I think opposing defenses have made it a point of emphasis to ignore the play action fakes.

BTW, I'm not actually suggesting that the Pats go to the Wildcat offense. That was an obvious (one would think) joke. Although they did run the wildcat against Buffalo, much to my amusement.
 
Welker has 49 catched in 14 games...that's 3.5 catches per game.
He's not the guy he was for the Pats, not even close.
There's a reason why DT and Sanders were targeted 80 more times (each) than Welker.

If the Broncos had so many weapons, then why Sanders and Thomas accounted for 53.5% of Manning's targets in 2014 ?

J Thomas is a good receiving target, but is always injured and not a great blocker. And let's wait on Anderson...he has had a great half season, but he wasn't even the Broncos 2nd RB coming out of training camp. Both Gray and Blount have the same ypc average than Anderson.

Where did I say that Welker is the same guy? That's not the issue. The issue mentioned was WR depth. 3 of the 5 Patriots competitors go 3 deep with legitimate WR talent.
 
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