Woody Johnson Clear Cut Tampered Re: Revis

pwes said:

A lot of you are going to be sorely disappointed. Nothing is gong to come of this. I doubt they even get fined. And Kraft isn't going to push the matter.

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This I disagree with. This was a text book example of tampering done with a big time player the Jets covet and Patriots have to renegotiate with this off season. The only way the jets get n of is if Goodell comes out and declares that b there is no longer b any restriction on tampering. And for those arguing about Kraft he doesn't need to push anything, this is a league matter and he won't be involved in the decision.

Did someone say woody isn't "stupid". Ummm he sure sounds like he is...

supafly said:

The NYJ are getting to be pretty good at driving up the price, as we saw when Deion Branch left in 2005.

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Ehh...with Brady being generous...his price can go up a tad

BSR said:

Actually if you read his statement he was very careful to say neither of those things. In fact he stated that he never tampered and he didn't apologize. I think he is going with the "it was a misunderstanding" defense.

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It doesn't matter if it was a misunderstanding or not. He can't say that he never tampered, because what he said was essentially the example stated by the NFL for what constitutes tampering! It doesn't matter how much he protests otherwise, there is no way you can apply the rules and not call it tampering. He even ignored a Jets HR representative to answer the question.

His "nopology" is inadequate, and any handling of this case that is not in line with the previous cases of tampering in recent years (forfeiture of a low-round draft pick, a fine, and swapping of higher-round picks than was forfeited) will show that NFL management is utterly capricious in its punishment of teams for breaking the rules. (True, we know that it is capricious, but this is as clear-cut a case as you can get.)

AndyJohnson said:

You are way off the mark here.
The point of the Anti-tampering rule is so that a team has an opportunity to negotiate with its player while he is under contract without others teams having any influence on that by communicating interest in the player.
Look at it this way. If Woody made those comments last off-season about Wilfork, when he was facing a paycut to return, would it have affected the Patriots ability to negotiate with their own player? Of course it would.
Revis is under contract for another year. The Patriots have a right to unfettered ability to negotiate an extension to that contract and the rules are there to prevent a player who isn't free from determining what his market is, as if he were free.
What he will prioritize at the point he eventually becomes a free agent is entirely irrelevant.

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Too funny.
The current contract was specifically designed to get Revis to free agency after one year. Patsfans can parse the details all they want but the reality is the contract had two purposes. For the team: spread the cap hit over two years. For the player: guarantee freedom after one year. Clinging to anything more is one huge ***********.
Yes, Revis is technically restricted from the open market until the Patriots relinquish control....but....If I was a betting man, I would bank on the existence of a mutually agreed upon exit time table prior to Revis signing the Patriots contract.....unless you think Revis' agent is a fool who would let his client dangle for months......NOT A CHANCE.
As far as the tampering issue..........a fun issue to gab about....but in the grand scheme of things, as relevant as tits on a bull.

ewg_gestalt said:

It doesn't matter if it was a misunderstanding or not. He can't say that he never tampered, because what he said was essentially the example stated by the NFL for what constitutes tampering! It doesn't matter how much he protests otherwise, there is no way you can apply the rules and not call it tampering. He even ignored a Jets HR representative to answer the question.

His "nopology" is inadequate, and any handling of this case that is not in line with the previous cases of tampering in recent years (forfeiture of a low-round draft pick, a fine, and swapping of higher-round picks than was forfeited) will show that NFL management is utterly capricious in its punishment of teams for breaking the rules. (True, we know that it is capricious, but this is as clear-cut a case as you can get.)

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I don't disagree. My only point was that Woody neither admitted to tampering nor apologized for it in his statement. I still think it was about as blatant of tampering as you can get. The only thing that is up for debate is degree and punishment, if any.

borg said:

Too funny.
The current contract was specifically designed to get Revis to free agency after one year. Patsfans can parse the details all they want but the reality is the contract had two purposes. For the team: spread the cap hit over two years. For the player: guarantee freedom after one year. Clinging to anything more is one huge ***********.
Yes, Revis is technically restricted from the open market until the Patriots relinquish control....but....If I was a betting man, I would bank on the existence of a mutually agreed upon exit time table prior to Revis signing the Patriots contract.....unless you think Revis' agent is a fool who would let his client dangle for months......NOT A CHANCE.

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What does your opinion about the intent of the contract that is in place have to do with whether this is tampering or not?

And by the way, if your opinion is accepted, it makes the tampering even more evident, because the player would then be about to become a free agent, and he would be affecting the teams ability to renegotiate.

The fact is that the Patriots are going to try to renegotiate the Revis deal. Having another owner saying what Woody said can put the Patriots at a disadvantage in those negotiations. I don't know why some of you do get that.

I don't know what the proper punishment the NFL can give to Woody for this but there has to be something. Maybe make him sit amongst Jets fans during all home games, instead of the owners box, would be proper punishment.

BSR said:

I don't disagree. My only point was that Woody neither admitted to tampering nor apologized for it in his statement. I still think it was about as blatant of tampering as you can get. The only thing that is up for debate is degree and punishment, if any.

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He did say "I should not have used those words".
Thats pretty damn close to admitting the words were a violation, and sounds like an apology to me.

Ivan said:

This I disagree with. This was can text book example of tampering done with a big time player the Jets covet and Patriots have to renegotiate with this off season. The only way the jets get n of is if Goodell comes out and declares that b there is no longer b any restriction on tampering. And for those arguing about Kraft he doesn't need to push anything, this is a league matter and he won't be involved in the decision.

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I think my post was pretty obvious that Goodell going to willfully ignore that this happened (or a slap on the wrist memo). Johnson backtracked pretty quickly and it would not surprise me if they accept his response that he didn't know and called Kraft immediately. Regardless if it's a league matter, if the Owner says it should be investigated its more likely to be rather than the owner being complacent and acting like nothing even happened.

borg said:

Too funny.
The current contract was specifically designed to get Revis to free agency after one year. Patsfans can parse the details all they want but the reality is the contract had two purposes. For the team: spread the cap hit over two years. For the player: guarantee freedom after one year. Clinging to anything more is one huge ***********.
Yes, Revis is technically restricted from the open market until the Patriots relinquish control....but....If I was a betting man, I would bank on the existence of a mutually agreed upon exit time table prior to Revis signing the Patriots contract.....unless you think Revis' agent is a fool who would let his client dangle for months......NOT A CHANCE.

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The only problem with your thinking is that it ignores the advantage the Patriots currently have of exclusively negotiating a contract extension with Revis until March 10, 2015. No matter what was the thinking of the Revis team at the time of signing the deal, I am sure the Patriots have been in his ear ever since then as to why he should extend. Woodys comments have the potential of compromising that. That is the only reason this matters.

Dutchmaster617 said:

We screwed up, get over it dude, you get arrested and tell a judge but but but he did it and see how that works.

You are making the Jets fan look good, they haven't been anything in 4 years and we are mad at them but first seed? We broke the rules, end of discussion bro.

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You truly are ignorant. There is a huge difference between breaking a LAW and breaking a rule that has no affect on the game.

The Jets broke the rules. Rules that are not enforced equally are not rules. And you can use that as valid proof for a case to be tossed out because it shows discrimination.

The only one attempting to make the Jets fan look good is you. And you're failing miserably.

Do yourself and everyone else a favor. Stop commenting in threads where you aren't intelligent enough to participate.

AndyJohnson said:

He did say "I should not have used those words".
Thats pretty damn close to admitting the words were a violation, and sounds like an apology to me.

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He also said "I would never interfere in the contractual relationship of a player with another team", which if he admitted to tampering would be contradictory. I think his statement is a CYA and not an admission and especially not an apology.

pwes said:

I think my post was pretty obvious that Goodell going to willfully ignore that this happened (or a slap on the wrist memo). Johnson backtracked pretty quickly and it would not surprise me if they accept his response that he didn't know and called Kraft immediately. Regardless if it's a league matter, if the Owner says it should be investigated its more likely to be rather than the owner being complacent and acting like nothing even happened.

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Since when would an apology matter in a situation like this? Is Johnson saying he won't pursue Revis if contract negotiations break down with the patriots and Revis is released? Because Goodell is going to look really bad once again if the Patriots can't re-sign Revis and he signs back with the jets. This is as clear cut an example of tampering as they get, and it was done with a big time player and division rivals. I honestly have no idea what the punishment will be but if nothing else it should set the bar for it for the reasons listed above and the fact that he was already admonished for it this year. Had Belichick done this it would cost them their first overall and I honestly don't see why Patriot fans wouldn't push as hard as possible on this, even if the team doesn't. And while I believe Kraft will be gracious I really think Belichick wants blood.

BSR said:

He also said "I would never interfere in the contractual relationship of a player with another team", which if he admitted to tampering would be contradictory. I think his statement is a CYA and not an admission and especially not an apology.

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Except that he did just that by saying he would have paid him what NE did and wants him back.

I believe that Kraft will do nothing here. So soon we forget how Kraft has responded in the past. Remember when we had our panties in a wad over Goodell's handling of Ray Rice? Kraft made it a deliberate point to be seen with the Commissioner and gave him his unqualified support. In ALL league matters Bob has been the peacemaker and conciliator. Acquiesed to Pats punishment in Spygate & apologized. Never sought to clarify the misunderstandings in the fan base as to exactly what the Pats accepted punishment for. Stepped in when Goodell was an utter failure getting the new CBA accepted by the players union and brokered an acceptable deal for both parties. This is who Kraft is. He may be a businessman but his style is not that of a Donald Trump. He's a consensus builder. So folks expecting Bob Kraft to push his butt buddy Roger Goodell to punish the Jets substantively (e.g. swap & loss of draft picks) will be disappointed. Me, I'm wicked pissed.

pwes said:

I think my post was pretty obvious that Goodell going to willfully ignore that this happened (or a slap on the wrist memo). Johnson backtracked pretty quickly and it would not surprise me if they accept his response that he didn't know and called Kraft immediately. Regardless if it's a league matter, if the Owner says it should be investigated its more likely to be rather than the owner being complacent and acting like nothing even happened.

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Belichick is on record saying they need to address it.

Dutchmaster617 said:

So basically you want to cry all month about a 4 win team and some **** from 8 years ago, do you.

EDIT: in regards to both of my posts I AM NOT A JETS FAN, so please stop telling me how they made some little move and I am supposed to care, all I said was this thread sucks and there is no reason to ***** about a last place team that just fired a GM and coach, has no QB, WRs, a suspect defense etc.

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If this thread sucks so badly, why are you in here voicing your own idiocy?

Tampering is NOT a little move. Only complete idiots who have no concept of the ramifications of tampering in ANY setting would make such a claim.

BSR said:

I don't disagree. My only point was that Woody neither admitted to tampering nor apologized for it in his statement. I still think it was about as blatant of tampering as you can get. The only thing that is up for debate is degree and punishment, if any.

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Agreed.

Dutchmaster617 said:

Quote where I ever said it was ok for the Jets to do wrong, all I said was we didn't need ten threads at 40 pages each about them, I never said they should break rules and get away with it, stop ****ing lying.

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Now you are the one lying. You never said jack about the number of threads or length of thread.

Keep running your mouth. You make yourself look more foolish by the second.