Woody Johnson Clear Cut Tampered Re: Revis

BSR said:

I think the behavior makes perfect sense. Kraft has much bigger fish to fry that the potential of swapping 5th round picks with the jets next year. He worries much more about the CBA, expansion abroad, etc. For that he needs owner consensus and votes so I doubt very much that he is going to make a big stink about. Which is why I also think you hear Belichick and certain people in the media bringing it up in back channels as something that Goodell should look into on his own. Its not something that he is going to the mattresses over.

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You honestly think Kraft pressing the issue is going to have a negative effect on any of those things?

KontradictioN said:

You honestly think Kraft pressing the issue is going to have a negative effect on any of those things?

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Yeah, I do and I would suggest his actions make it seem like he does also. Someone else in this thread suggested Kraft pick this issue to be the one that he rallies all of his power to fight. I think that is shortsighted as the potential gain isn't all that much, especially to an owner with an almost $2 billion net worth to protect. With regards to issues like the CBA and expansion I don't think there is the universal consensus that the owners would like us to believe. And with Kraft being one of the current thought leaders he doesn't want to lose that tenuous position because he pissed off a few owners throwing a tantrum over something relatively trivial.

shmessy said:

Your "reasoning" is pathetic.

Just because they aren't good at what they do does not mean they are allowed to break the rules.

Most competent human beings learn that basic lesson before 4th grade.

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Dutchmaster617 gave this post a "Dislike".

Evidently he feels the incompetent should be allowed to break rules.

It takes all kinds.......

Dutchmaster617 said:

Quote where I ever said it was ok for the Jets to do wrong, all I said was we didn't need ten threads at 40 pages each about them, I never said they should break rules and get away with it, stop ****ing lying.

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There's only one thread about this.

So WHO is making stuff up, Dutchmaster?

If you're going to continue to post delusions you will continue to get no respect from rational people.

BSR said:

Yeah, I do and I would suggest his actions make it seem like he does also. Someone else in this thread suggested Kraft pick this issue to be the one that he rallies all of his power to fight. I think that is shortsighted as the potential gain isn't all that much, especially to an owner with an almost $2 billion net worth to protect. With regards to issues like the CBA and expansion I don't think there is the universal consensus that the owners would like us to believe. And with Kraft being one of the current thought leaders he doesn't want to lose that tenuous position because he pissed off a few owners throwing a tantrum over something relatively trivial.

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I don't think many would consider losing the best corner in the league to rival trivial. He is a game changer. The Pats are a different with him. I, for one, am pissed that the thought is even in Revis's, or his agents head.

BSR said:

Yeah, I do and I would suggest his actions make it seem like he does also. Someone else in this thread suggested Kraft pick this issue to be the one that he rallies all of his power to fight. I think that is shortsighted as the potential gain isn't all that much, especially to an owner with an almost $2 billion net worth to protect. With regards to issues like the CBA and expansion I don't think there is the universal consensus that the owners would like us to believe. And with Kraft being one of the current thought leaders he doesn't want to lose that tenuous position because he pissed off a few owners throwing a tantrum over something relatively trivial.

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You do realize that both of those things (the CBA going the owners way and overseas expansion) are prospects that will line the pockets of owners across the league. I highly doubt Kraft putting the tires to Woody over tampering and trying to lure his best defender and game changer, as someone else put it, over would have any negative effect on those two things.

mosi said:

This is a big issue and if Revis signs with the Jets, is an even bigger issue. This is clear cut tampering and makes the Pats ability to negotiate a contract with Revis much more difficult. this is why owners put these rules into place. It is a huge error on Johnsons's part that goes to the heart of free agency. If Revis signs with the Jets, this is a first round pick type of issue.

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I agree. There are ALEADY damages just in the act of driving up the cost, but if they actually contact him once he is a free agent (after illegaly setting the table), that damage only increases and the price goes up on it.

wrangler said:

Woody is not stupid.

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I don't know, it sure sounds like hes stupid......"That could be considered tampering, since Revis is still under contract with the Patriots. In fact, before Johnson answered the question pertaining to Revis, a PR representative said they can’t speak about players on other teams. But Johnson went ahead anyway".

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...son-tampered-darrelle-revis-article-1.2060256

Silver Blue&Red said:

I don't think many would consider losing the best corner in the league to rival trivial. He is a game changer. The Pats are a different with him. I, for one, am pissed that the thought is even in Revis's, or his agents head.

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Revis hasn't gone anywhere yet. And if we do lose Revis I doubt it will be because Woody said these things in a presser. I certainly think the Jets should be punished for their gaffe in procedure but it is hardly something to create a **** storm over. Realistically Woody's comments will have little to no impact on the Revis negotiations. If they are going to be punished it will most likely be for a procedural violation.

Why is there even some kind of debate in this thread? There is no doubt that Johnson tampered and anyone that says it's no big deal is out of their mind. It's so clear cut I'd be shocked if there was no action taken. Then again we are talking about Goodell and the Jets here. If no action is taken they mind as well just make tampering legal for every team because again, this is one of the most clear cut cases you will ever find. Also this isn't some scrub, you are talking about one of the premier defenders in this league who won't come cheap and Johnson being stupid doesn't change the fact he may have set negotiations back for the Patriots.

No big deal? Really? The Jets suck so it's ok? Some of the posters in thread just baffle me.

what's to investigate? Woody admitted he did wrong publicly and said he called Kraft to offer an apology.

Case closed Goodell dole out the punishment. simple

shmessy said:

I agree. There are ALEADY damages just in the act of driving up the cost, but if they actually contact him once he is a free agent (after illegaly setting the table), that damage only increases and the price goes up on it.

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Words don't increase contract $$$$$, higher bids do.
I'm pretty sure Revis' agent, like all agents, will answer ALL phone calls during free agency....whether an owner publicly waxed poetic about his client or not.
And Revis should be insulted by this trivial notion that flattery will get his attention. The man chases dollars first and foremost. Have we all forgotten he chose to get paid by Tampa Bay...of all places.
Sixteen pages of nonsensical outrage

KontradictioN said:

You do realize that both of those things (the CBA going the owners way and overseas expansion) are prospects that will line the pockets of owners across the league. I highly doubt Kraft putting the tires to Woody over tampering and trying to lure his best defender and game changer, as someone else put it, over would have any negative effect on those two things.

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I think you far underestimating the owner politics involved in the approach owners taking in drafting the CBA or their approach to overseas expansion. There are many approaches to both and I am sure the owners have differing opinions about how they should be done. I especially think is the case with overseas expansion where it isn't so clear that it will help them line their pockets. You'll notice how many NFL teams are unwilling to host London games because of how they will lose out on home stadium revenue. Thinking the owners are in lock step on these issues is naive.

borg said:

Words don't increase contract $$$$$, higher bids do.
I'm pretty sure Revis' agent, like all agents, will answer ALL phone calls during free agency....whether an owner publicly waxed poetic about his client or not.
And Revis should be insulted by this trivial notion that flattery will get his attention. The man chases dollars first and foremost. Have we all forgotten he chose to get paid by Tampa Bay...of all places.
Sixteen pages of phony outrage accurate and, mostly, reasonable discussion of tampering, littered with a few posters clowning themselves by pretending it didn't happen, shouldn't be punished, and/or it doesn't have any potential effect.

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Fixed that for you

Brewskies said:

what's to investigate? Woody admitted he did wrong publicly and said he called Kraft to offer an apology.

Case closed Goodell dole out the punishment. simple

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Actually if you read his statement he was very careful to say neither of those things. In fact he stated that he never tampered and he didn't apologize. I think he is going with the "it was a misunderstanding" defense.

borg said:

Words don't increase contract $$$$$, higher bids do.
I'm pretty sure Revis' agent, like all agents, will answer ALL phone calls during free agency....whether an owner publicly waxed poetic about his client or not.
And Revis should be insulted by this trivial notion that flattery will get his attention. The man chases dollars first and foremost. Have we all forgotten he chose to get paid by Tampa Bay...of all places.
Sixteen pages of nonsensical outrage

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You are way off the mark here.
The point of the Anti-tampering rule is so that a team has an opportunity to negotiate with its player while he is under contract without others teams having any influence on that by communicating interest in the player.
Look at it this way. If Woody made those comments last off-season about Wilfork, when he was facing a paycut to return, would it have affected the Patriots ability to negotiate with their own player? Of course it would.
Revis is under contract for another year. The Patriots have a right to unfettered ability to negotiate an extension to that contract and the rules are there to prevent a player who isn't free from determining what his market is, as if he were free.
What he will prioritize at the point he eventually becomes a free agent is entirely irrelevant.

reflexblue said:

When in doubt blame it on the pats, and it worked. The jest should have been punished, but nothing happened. The same year as spygate a jest employee was caught filming from a forbotten location in Gillette. He said he had authorazation whcih the pats denied giving him. Goodell did nothing. Thats all one needs to know about goodell. He has no integrity

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Actually, they -were- fined $100,000. Interestingly (or infuriatingly), if you google the incident now, a bunch of the top hits are of they 'The Patriots do it too' variety. Also interestingly, the NFL cited Westhoff's accusation as one of the reasons for the punishment.

A lot of you are going to be sorely disappointed. Nothing is gong to come of this. I doubt they even get fined. And Kraft isn't going to push the matter.

FreeTedWilliams said:

The penalty should be exactly what the Jets got for Kraft stealing BB.

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Wouldn't that be awesome, and they get to keep Revised.

That sounds very fair to me

shmessy said:

Dutchmaster617 gave this post a "Dislike".

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It takes all kinds.......

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A like just to offset it