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I have so little to actually say about this game that I thought about not even doing a post. However I guess its become a tradition of sorts, so we'll see how it goes.

1. Clearly BB sided with the "better to rest them" crowd, with pretty much everyone who had a marginal ding sitting out.

2. Despite the large number of absences, you couldn't help but be disappointed with the first half of play. I was more disappointed with the defense that I was with the offense. We had enough good players to have done a much better job on a marginal Buffalo offense in that first half.

3. To the defense's credit, it once again played shut out ball in the 2nd half. I think that bodes very well for the playoffs. Over the 2nd half of the season, the defense's work in the 2nd half has been phenomenal. Whatever problems they might have in the first half are dealt with in the second....CONSISTENTLY. I mean how many TD's has this defense given up over the last 8 games in the 2nd half. One?, Two? That is other worldly if you think about it.

What makes it every bit as impressive as what the Seehawks have done recently, is that the Pats have had to do it against decent to good offenses, while the Seahawks have played almost exclusively rookies, back ups and Colin Kapernick during their late season dominant defensive run

4. I have to admit that I only lasted until JG's 3rd offensive series, before I decided running errands would be more interesting. I returned jjust in time to catch that 4th down and one bad call in the 4th when they still had a chance to get back into the game. I was done after that.

5. I hated the play calling during JG's time. Very little in the way of play action passes, no rollouts or bootlegs. Things I think JG would excel at. And the so called designed runs were just stupid. I don't like to criticize the coordinators, but the Josh haters are going to have a fun time this week.

6. I was a little disappointed in what I saw with JG, but I really shouldn't be. Even with the lack of production or success, you can tell he has good poise and presence when he's on the field. And let's not forget where he came from, the offense he ran in college, and how far he has to go. He is really going to need 2-3 more years of development before we can fairly judge what kind of QB he can be.

You can't love what we've seen so far, but you certainly can't hate it. If I had to grade it, I say he's right on track to be what he'll become.....whatever that is.

7. In a weird way I have to feel a little good for Bills fans. They've been loyal supporters of a team that hasn't been to the playoffs since 1999. Finishing up with a 9-7 record and some hope this offseason is nothing we should begrudge good and loyal fams As Pats fans, we've has SOOOOOO much good fortune over those same 15 years, I can't begrudge them a little joy today.

8. Nice to see LaFell finish with 950 yds. I would think that number far exceeded what most of us hoped for when he was first signed. Not only that he proved to be one of the better WR run blockers in the league. He gave us a lot of production for a very reasonable price.

9. I think we got a bit better insight into Brian Tyms potential today. He proved he could do more than simply run 9 routes. He's adds decent depth for the playoffs, but with a full off season could add a lot more. At any rate between he and Dobson, the 3 vets, I hope we can end this need for a WR insanity and concentrated on upgrading the real needs of this team.

10 Things to watch for going into the playoffs:

a. We aren't getting much traction from our base 4 man rush. We need to improve on that. However the pass rush gets to be a lot more effective when Patricial dials up a stunt or blitz. I think we have to face the fact that when we want to create pressure, we are going to need to do it from a scheme.

b. Assuming Solder's injury was a nick. and Connolly and Volmer will both be ready, I'm more concerned than worried about the OL. I strongly agree that it should be the primary area of need this off season, but for THIS playoff season, (baring injury), its should be adequate enough (as it proved in that 6 game gauntlet), to win this superbowl

c. I'll be interested to see if Tavon Wilson's snaps will continue to grow. I like what I see from him, from what little we get to see. Whether its here of elsewhere, I can see his career mimicking James Ihedigbu's. Ihedigbu was UDFA emergency fill in for us who started a superbowl. Then developed into an adequate starter with the Ravens on their run, and is now a solid, effective, and respected starter with a good Lions defense. In other words another "overnight success" 4 years in the making. ;).

Just another example of how sometimes it takes some time for a player from a small school, or making a position change to develop into a good pro. I will be surprised if he isn't battling for a starting role next season.

d. I don't look forward to the media hype we will have to endure the next 2 weeks, making far to much of today's results, the lack of a pass rush, the offensive malaise the the OL issues. It's not to say they don't have a legit reason NOT to talk about them, its just that what they'll say will be so predictable and thus boring and tiresome.

e. I pray we get the Ravens as our first opponent. There are those who will make a big deal about their 2 wins here in years gone by. But this is not NEARLY the same team. This is a team that almost lost to a bad Cleveland team with no offensive weapons and QB'd by Connor freakin' Shaw....at home. The Ravens are frauds of the first order. All mouth, little substance. We will bury them if we are lucky enough to see them.

11. Back last spring when we were given the option of picking a number to identify with, I picked 91, because I was so enthralled by Jamie Collins' playoff efforts. And while there's been a learning curve, and some of the efforts haven't always be gems, its been a pleasure to start to see him become a CONSISTENT game changing type of player with tons of upside. The Pats acted very quickly locking up Gronk and Hernandez when they saw what they had, I wouldn't be surprised to see them try and do it with Collins this offseason.

12. Biggest positive surprises:
a. LaFell
b. Chung
c. Stork
d. Connolly/Wendell (as they are inexorably linked)
e. Ayers/Branch (as they are also inexorably linked)
f. Vince Wilfork

13. Biggest negative disappointments
a. Dennard (although we don't know how much health has played in this)
b. Solder (not that he's played so badly, but that he hasn't be the elite player I expected)
c. Chandler Jones (not that he's played badly, but that he hasn't been the elite player I expected)
d. Easley - maybe I set my expectations too high. I expected what Aaron Donald delivered
e. Cannon - he was supposed to solve and upgrade the RG position.....didn't happen

14. Jeff Fisher just finished his season on a losing note.....again. Thus completing his 13th losing season in 19 years as a HC....and yet he not only still gets to keep his job, he remains perceived as a highly respected HC in the league by the mediots. Why does this guy have a job. Let the rant CONTINUE!!!!!!!!!

15. Psych 101 - I think Brady was REALLY pissed he wan't given the opportunity to at least have the opening drive of the 2nd half to move the ball. I think that's EXACTLY where BB wants him. He WANTS him to hear all the talk show blather about the "offensive issues". He wants him angry and with something to prove. So he sat Brady after a bad first half of offense and made him watch the Pats lose a game that would have likely have won if he had finished the game.

Yes, BB really is THAT good. ;)

16.Every team that comes into Gillette with be capable of beating the Pats, but NONE will be better going into that game. In other words, if the opponent plays his A game, and the Pats play THEIR A game, the Pats are going to win. That's what I strongly believe. Its ALL in their own hands how long this playoff run goes.

Well once again I've rambled on far longer than I expected when I started. :D Thanks for your patience
 
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I'm not surprised that LaFell has done so well here. I never understood the negativity. I thought it was a good signing.
 
I'm not surprised that LaFell has done so well here. I never understood the negativity. I thought it was a good signing.

The naysayers were mainly a group of semi-casual fans who did not really recognize the "name," or lack thereof. Anyone who followed him/college ball at LSU, bet on the games, played fantasy football, or even casually watched a game or two of the Carolina Panthers realized that he was a bigger target who had pretty much improved in each and every year after being drafted in the 3rd round.
 
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At any rate between he and Dobson, the 3 vets, I hope we can end this need for a WR insanity and concentrated on upgrading the real needs of this team.

So, this "insanity" that you speak of is because of the awesome play of one-half of Brian Tyms, who was forced out there due to the fact that we had NO ONE else to trot out on the field? Okay then.

Even the biggest homers of the board will agree that we need to address the WR position, which basically consists of LaFell/Edelman, and....no one else.

There can be a reasonable thought that it can be done via lower/middle tier free agency, and/or an additional draft pick in the middle rounds. I don't believe that there are many here who actually think that Belichick is going to throw 12 million dollars per year at an outside threat.

In other words, it's not exactly as black and white as you're attempting to make it. The position of WR is certainly an area that needs attention, wherever Belichick decides to prioritize it.
 
(A) JAG was playing with lower depth receivers and OL -- while playing against a first team defense that is in the top half of the league. I don't think any QB would look good under those circumstances.

(B) Oh I PRAY that you're right about the media hyping up the Patriots' deficiencies. That would be a late but appreciated Christmas gift.

(C) You're right about the pass rush. I'm hoping that CJ has another gear waiting to kick in (hope and a prayer)? IMHO the second biggest concern of the team yet one that can be covered over sufficiently.

(D) Greatest concern is the OL, and that can't be covered up at all. So closely watch the OL next Saturday, in the possible AFCCG, in the possible SB. IMHO you'll be watching the biggest reason the offense sputters or scores big. If the OL plays like week 6 thru week 13 it'll be good times in store for Patriot Nation.
 
Tyms was OK, but he reminded me of a very immature player with all the gestures and such.. maybe even a high level of ADHD...not sure he will really develop, his brainfart of going out of bounds instead of going for the first down was bush. Hooman seems to have hands of stone..

Have to wonder if Dennard's development was stymied by his time in Prison last year.. without regard he was disappointing, we do not do a good job of developing D-Backs...

What we witnessed yesterday is the norm for a lot of the NFL, mediocrity with a smattering of hope for the future.. "wait until next year" and what draft pick will we have.

The good news yesterday was that the Jets beat Miami, and maybe Philbin will be gone and Rex will stay..

Hope with the two weeks off, the Pats can get their Offense up to speed..
 
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d. Easley - maybe I set my expectations too high. I expected what Aaron Donald delivered

Give it a full offseason. After he missed essentially all of the OTAs my expectations were that if lucky he might be able to go the Jamie Collins route and maybe contribute in the playoffs. Looking at Donald I am excited for next year.

I was a little disappointed in what I saw with JG, but I really shouldn't be. Even with the lack of production or success, you can tell he has good poise and presence when he's on the field.

The one thing that JG didn't show yesterday was awareness in terms of throwing the ball away in time. Multiple times he kept it too long. That being said, I have seen the same from veteran QBs.


Even the biggest homers of the board will agree that we need to address the WR position, which basically consists of LaFell/Edelman, and....no one else.

Assuming we get all our key FAs back there will not be enough cap space to get a WR that is much better than LaFell. Going through the draft will not result in a WR that will be ready day one. The only chance that I see to significantly upgrade at WR is to trade one of our 3rd/4th picks for a WR on a rookie contract. Apart from Josh Gordon who might still be a headcase I am not sure if there is anyone available that would improve our situation.

To those who dream of Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald.. even if they would become available, I don't think they would take a big enough discount to fit into our budget. Again, all of this is based on the idea that we extend most of our key FAs.
 
http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots shows the Patriots' receiving stats this season. The #1, 2, 3 and 5 receivers are locks to be back, health permitting. #4 is Vereen, who will presumably return or be replaced. #6, Amendola, who may well be gone in a cost-cutting move, is responsible for a tiny fraction of overall production.

The only legitimate argument I see for an upgrade is injury depth.
 
So, this "insanity" that you speak of is because of the awesome play of one-half of Brian Tyms, who was forced out there due to the fact that we had NO ONE else to trot out on the field? Okay then.

Even the biggest homers of the board will agree that we need to address the WR position, which basically consists of LaFell/Edelman, and....no one else.

There can be a reasonable thought that it can be done via lower/middle tier free agency, and/or an additional draft pick in the middle rounds. I don't believe that there are many here who actually think that Belichick is going to throw 12 million dollars per year at an outside threat.

In other words, it's not exactly as black and white as you're attempting to make it. The position of WR is certainly an area that needs attention, wherever Belichick decides to prioritize it.
Well sup, I don't think anything I say is going to change your opinion. However I will attempt to at least point out exactly where and why our views conflict. Fair enough?

1. You look at the back end of the WR group (Tyms, Dobson, Boyce) and see it as a weakness. I look at it and see potential development for one or more of that group. If we just look at what those 3 guys offer in a combination of size, speed and quickness, I see 3 guys who in different ways, all might turn out to be the "deep threat" people are calling for.

2. I have to wonder if we might be better off dealing with with these 3 guys who at least have some familiarity with the system and QB's, than adding another crop of new faces who will need time to adjust.

3. I think we might value "continuity" differently. I feel that giving Brady another season to work with the same group will only benefit Brady and the offense as a whole. I fully expect better play from LaFell as well with another season to work with Brady.

4. Assuming LaFell, Edelman, and Gronk are fine with you as our front line receivers, just how many targets are really going to be available to anyone else?

5. So where we ultimately disagree, is your assertion that at WR we have LaFell, Edelman and nothing else. Where I see a LOT of potential quality depth and additional skill sets that won't be greatly improved by simply adding new bodies.

6. Then we have the wild card of Tim Wright and what he might bring to the receiver table next year. BTW- Given that our #1 target is a TE, I don't think we should separate the receivers into 2 groups, when they are essentially all equally "receivers" JMHO.

9. So in the end, we currently have what amounts to 3 1000 yd receivers and at least 3 very young guys who all have show skills that COULD make them valuable assets ready to develop....plus Amendola (if the price is right) and Wright. So I have to wonder, who could be added in the draft who would make this group THAT much better that it would be worth investing high end draft capital, or a lot of cap space in the FA market. There is only one ball for every snap, Sup.

10. All that being said, I have no problem with adding low cost additions to the WR group in the way of draft picks or FA's for competition. You never know who might emerge. Just look at Chris Osowasu
 
I'm not surprised that LaFell has done so well here. I never understood the negativity. I thought it was a good signing.
Well he did struggle early on in camp learning the system which has been the down fall of other WRs who have come here, Chad Johnson for example . So when the season started many thought he wouldn't make it with reason.
 
Lafell 950 yards first year with Tom, JE almost 1k and gronk over 1k, not bad, show me how many teams have that. Yeh Denver is more but that's an anomaly and let's see if it stays the same next year after the FA period.

I think we are pretty good at WR and the most obvious needs in my opinion are OL, badly needed, DL also but not an emergency but we have to get someone to replace Vince, hate to say that but it is going to happen sometime soon. But think about if we had a decent pass rush with the defensive backfield we have. But gotta lock up Revis and that to me is the most important, otherwise I think the defense falls back to mediocrity.

As far as WR I don't think investing huge dollars in a guy that can stretch the field makes sense, Brady has never been a great downfield thrower. I think it would be a waste of cap space. Unlike a lot of folks I see value in DA, I think he gets a bad rap in on modem ways but he has been excellent in ST and blocking in the offense, I think that is often not valued by fans enough but think BB sees it. He might be too expensive for this but I still like the guy.
 
I had the same observations about the D as you made.
I do not see the awesomeness of Tyms potential. I was higher on him previously but he showed clueless immaturity out there and was not that impressive when he had the opportunity for focus by TFB.
Share your continued cautious concern about OL play, the achilles heel of our SB run, as previously.
Share your disdain for Jeff Fisher. Can't understand why he's employed and not criticized.
Kudos to the Bills fans for a winning season & for overcoming their Gillette win drought. I was in the Bears bar with a half dozen Bills fans ecstatic about the game although they were clueless about who was NOT playing for the Pats. They cheered the sack of # 10 Brady calling him a petulant whiner even after I pointed out it was JAG who'd been playing since halftime. :)
Love your commentary about BB conniving to get TFB pissed for the play offs.

My criticism is this, Ken. No more "Idle" thoughts. Need to be fully engaged and active for the playoffs.
Like the players, for the playoffs you need to respect the calendar, it's January, time to step up your game.
 
Great thoughts as always, Ken. I kept looking for observations you missed (the few main things on my mind), and of course, they were covered. Also, full disclaimer: I was following the conversation ABOUT the game, following the stats, and catching spots on NFL red-zone... so I knew THAT things happened but did not know how. Therefore the big points for me on this game all fall into that category.

1) Of course the O-line is key. But yesterday's O-line is not the O-line that will be playing. Three weeks off the field is a good amount of healing time, less the practice time the respective starters will get in. That's a good thing. But yes, I will be biting my nails, because for any team a collapsed O-line nullifies a pocket passer.

2) This team became "good" again when Brady stopped dialing in exclusively on Edelman (and even later, just dialing in on him and Gronk,) and LaFell became a big draw. As the run threat continued to grow I started to feel more and more confident, and as the D continued to impress, that added to it. Given some time on the field, Tyms seems to be a capable weapon whom I don't think of as a likely non-factor should one of the present "big three" go down. Again, "TRUST" was the word of the week after KC. I think it's the word of the season for Brady: Trust those other guys on the field. It's especially important when you have less time than you'd want. Tyms gives him another guy to trust.

3) I do not worry about getting beat 40-14. I worry about getting beat 14-10. That's a function of how good this D has been as it has gelled and has fell into place w/the mid-season acquisitions and the revelations that have been Chung as a box safety (but also improved in coverage) as well as Collins and the constantly undervalued Ninko - not to mention Ayers. I hope this is not my trademarked wrongism du jour, but at present, I fear no offense to trounce this group, unless the stage gets too big (you always have guys untested on the big stage). Edit: Oh yeah also we have Darrell Revis. I think maybe we should hold onto that guy.

4) That to say: all teams have flaws. All good teams have stars. We, like the rest of the teams still alive, have both. I like our chances as one of many good but flawed teams, perhaps first, second, or third among basic equals (with GB and Seattle). I don't like our chances like I liked them in 2007-8, but look how that turned out.

5) Two weeks is going to be a long time!
 
Good read. I don't have much to add to it. I think this team recently has played down to its level of competition. Things I am looking for in the post season

#1 OL brings their A game. They showed they can be good enough when healthy.
#2 Blitz. Ayers has been under used since Chandler has come back. Get him in there more for pass rushing packages. I don't want to see this 4 man vanilla stuff in the playoffs. You must take risk.

And.... that's it. Do these 2 things effectively and you should get through the AFC.
 
2. Despite the large number of absences, you couldn't help but be disappointed with the first half of play. I was more disappointed with the defense that I was with the offense. We had enough good players to have done a much better job on a marginal Buffalo offense in that first half.

Agreed. Bill's message of "protect the family" seemed to affect the defensive intensity at the start. Guys just weren't flying around the way they usually do. As soon as they settled down, Buffalo couldn't even move the ball against the backups.

That said, I was more disappointed that the offense didn't mount the signature drive. I know they were missing a bunch of players and Buffalo is a good defense, but I still wanted to see that old fire.

I was a little disappointed in what I saw with JG, but I really shouldn't be.

I was disappointed as well, and I think it's perfectly fine to feel that way. He was very situationally unaware and missed some opportunities I expected him to make.

I hated the play calling during JG's time.

The play calling all game reflected NE's conservative stance. It seemed like their entire objective was to play as slow a game as possible to ensure a very low snap count. In many ways it was similar to a second preseason game in how NE seemed to be calling plays more to try them than because it specifically attacked Buffalo.

I think we got a bit better insight into Brian Tyms potential today. He proved he could do more than simply run 9 routes.

It looked more to me like what I was saying before the game, that teams are playing Tyms as a deep threat only, so he'll have loads of room for come backers. I honestly don't think we can say anything about the kid at this point, other than he gets deep well enough that teams give him a lot of room at the line.

We aren't getting much traction from our base 4 man rush.

I'm not sure about this. That was a preseason rush all the way, no stunts, no twists. Yes, the lack of a rush goes back a few weeks, but both Miami and NY are running teams, so the heavy lines kept a better pass rusher off the field.

I don't look forward to the media hype we will have to endure the next 2 weeks, making far to much of today's results, the lack of a pass rush, the offensive malaise the the OL issues.

I prefer that to a two week coronation.

c. Chandler Jones (not that he's played badly, but that he hasn't been the elite player I expected)

Other than the opening month when the team bizarrely played him at 3-4 DE, Chandler has been fantastic. His current level of play is a specific factor that has me looking forward to watching the defense in the playoffs.

e. Cannon - he was supposed to solve and upgrade the RG position.....didn't happen

That strikes me as more of fan-speak. I never bought into the "he should be a guard!" rhetoric. I thought Marcus looked excellent yesterday in his first full-time performance at his natural position.

The naysayers were mainly a group of semi-casual fans who did not really recognize the "name," or lack thereof.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I was down on LaFell without it being due to lack of recognition or being a semi-casual fan. Brandon is legitimately playing at a level he hadn't in Carolina.

You look at the back end of the WR group (Tyms, Dobson, Boyce) and see it as a weakness. I look at it and see potential development for one or more of that group.

It's both. Next year Tyms, Dobson and Boyce might amount to something, but right now they are a weakness if either LaFell or Julian go down.

I do not worry about getting beat 40-14. I worry about getting beat 14-10.

Same here, which is why - despite all their obvious flaws - Baltimore is the team I "worry" about the most. Until the SB, there isn't one defense I think can hold NE under 20 points. In fact, I don't think any other defenses can hold NE under 30 points without a plethora of unforced errors. I could see the Ravens, though, keeping NE to 17-20 points and getting a couple freebies with deep passes (or deep DPI calls).

It's not likely, but I view it far more likely than Pitt or Denver winning 34-30. Ultimately, it is entirely in NE's hands. If they play at a B level or better, no one in the AFC can beat them at home.
 
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Somewhat off-topic, for the future, I worry that the heir-apparent's initials are actually JAG.
 
I should add that I was impressed with Blount yesterday. He still takes a while getting to the line, but his pad level allowed him to push through a lot of contact.
 
I was surprised that the camera didn't pan over to Gronk or Edelman on the sidelines, especially when a pass would slip out of Wright or Maneri's hands. We're they not there?
 
Tyms was OK, but he reminded me of a very immature player with all the gestures and such.. maybe even a high level of ADHD...not sure he will really develop, his brainfart of going out of bounds instead of going for the first down was bush. Hooman seems to have hands of stone..

Have to wonder if Dennard's development was stymied by his time in Prison last year.. without regard he was disappointing, we do not do a good job of developing D-Backs...

What we witnessed yesterday is the norm for a lot of the NFL, mediocrity with a smattering of hope for the future.. "wait until next year" and what draft pick will we have.

The good news yesterday was that the Jets beat Miami, and maybe Philbin will be gone and Rex will stay..

Hope with the two weeks off, the Pats can get their Offense up to speed..
I suspect Dennard had some physical issue that lingered all season.
 
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