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It's interesting in that you've basically replicated this thread but in reverse over there. Human nature and all that jazz.

Yeah they're like mirror images of one another. Funny that this thread spawned off of a passing comment that we may not be able to do much on offense against a world class Super Bowl-winning defense and may have to win a defensive battle to win this hypothetical game. Only on this forum would that make me a mega troll...
 
I don't think tuneups against the likes of Stanton, Sanchez, Kaepernick, Hill or Linley prepares the Sea hawk Defense well to go against a Tom Brady. That is the ultimate mismatch in the Patriots favor.

They played Manning in the Superbowl. This year they played Rodgers, Rivers, and Romo. They have played fine against top level QB's. If you are going to penalize Seattle for playing against scrubs, then the New England defense should receive the same criticism, because A.F.C. East QB's are terrible.

If we are going to mention unprepared, then New England is unprepared to deal with a scrambling quarterback like Wilson, who is almost un-sackable and also has an ability to make plays and avoid mistakes when on the run. The last quarterback we played with those talents (Rodgers) scorched this defense.

Now, I'm not saying that Wilson is the same quality of down the field QB that Rodgers is, but he does share two traits with Rodgers: an ability to run and make plays, and a tendency not to lose the game for his team. Additionally, Wilson is clutch when it counts, and seems to avoid focusing on one receiver, this makes game planning more difficult. What I worry about is handling broken plays and mitigating defensive holding and pass interference penalties when Wilson scrambles. Our coaching staff and defense will have their hands full if we meet in the big game.
 
They played Manning in the Superbowl. This year they played Rodgers, Rivers, and Romo. They have played fine against top level QB's. If you are going to penalize Seattle for playing against scrubs, then the New England defense should receive the same criticism, because A.F.C. East QB's are terrible.

If we are going to mention unprepared, then New England is unprepared to deal with a scrambling quarterback like Wilson, who is almost un-sackable and also has an ability to make plays and avoid mistakes when on the run. The last quarterback we played with those talents (Rodgers) scorched this defense.

Now, I'm not saying that Wilson is the same quality of down the field QB that Rodgers is, but he does share two traits with Rodgers: an ability to run and make plays, and a tendency not to lose the game for his team. Additionally, Wilson is clutch when it counts, and seems to avoid focusing on one receiver, this makes game planning more difficult. What I worry about is handling broken plays and mitigating defensive holding and pass interference penalties when Wilson scrambles. Our coaching staff and defense will have their hands full if we meet in the big game.

Rodgers scorched us how again? Except for the jordy Nelson td the defense kept Rodgers and green bay in check. The pats had 2 3 and outs to start the game, which hurt them but they could have easily won at the end.

Julius do you not realize they lost to rivers and Romo and that defense couldn't shut down those offenses. Seattles defense he great, but let's not make it the 85 bears. They can be exploited and beat and we have the best qb and HC to beat them.
 
This argument can be completely flipped on its head.

They played Manning in the Superbowl. This year they played Rodgers, Rivers, and Romo. They have played fine against top level QB's. If you are going to penalize Seattle for playing against scrubs, then the New England defense should receive the same criticism, because A.F.C. East QB's are terrible.

Add up Rodgers, Rivers, Peyton, Eli and Romo's #s vs SEA and collectively they have completed 67% of their passes for 262 ypg, 9TDs 3INTs and a 95 QB rating. SEA went 3-2. Ave score SEA 29-23

For the Pats, add up Peyton, Luck, Stafford, Rodgers and Rivers # vs NE and collectively they have completed 56% of their passes for 311 ypg, 6TDs 5INTs and QB rating of 79. NE went 4-1 in those games. Ave score- NE 33-18. I don't consider Tannehill a bad QB. He was good this year and the Pats kept him pretty much under wraps. NE's QB rating vs him was 76 and picked him off 3 times.

The numbers show that vs upper-echelon QB's, the Pats have allowed less passing TDs, intercepted the ball more, allowed less of a completion %, less points a game and have a lesser QB rating against.

BB could care less about yards. As you can see, he cares about having his D force opposing QB's to try and make tough throws to spots and not take what's there and have the urge to be greedy. We've seen this style of D for over 15 years.

You could also argue that the yards allowed are inflated as the Pats were involved in more blowouts and play much more of a bend-don't break defense than SEA.


If we are going to mention unprepared, then New England is unprepared to deal with a scrambling quarterback like Wilson, who is almost un-sackable and also has an ability to make plays and avoid mistakes when on the run. The last quarterback we played with those talents (Rodgers) scorched this defense.

The Patriots allowed 26 points to Rodgers and 3 in the second 1/2. It easily could have been 19 points (where they usually score 43ppg) if Nelson doesn't push off and McCourty doesn't have a brain freeze. How is that torching? Because they allowed yards?

Wilson has been sacked 39 time this year. Pats have faced scrambling QBs before and have done fine. The flood the field, stay disciplined in their coverage and stop the run by staying in their lanes.

Wilson certainly does those well. You can also say that b/c of SEA's D, he doesn't need to take risks- like Brady in 01-04.

Additionally, Wilson is clutch when it counts, and seems to avoid focusing on one receiver, this makes game planning more difficult. What I worry about is handling broken plays and mitigating defensive holding and pass interference penalties when Wilson scrambles. Our coaching staff and defense will have their hands full if we meet in the big game.

Last two years, SEA is 3-4 when rushing for less than 110 yards. You stop Lynch you beat SEA. As you say he is nowhere close to being at Rodgers's level in the passing game. I really have no issue if Wilson scrambles around for a few yards. What it means is that he is not finding open receivers and not making plays down field. If Wilson is forced to stay in the pocket and he needs to throw more than 25 times, SEA is 16-11 and is very, very beatable.
 
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Rodgers scorched us how again? Except for the jordy Nelson td the defense kept Rodgers and green bay in check. The pats had 2 3 and outs to start the game, which hurt them but they could have easily won at the end.

Julius do you not realize they lost to rivers and Romo and that defense couldn't shut down those offenses. Seattles defense he great, but let's not make it the 85 bears. They can be exploited and beat and we have the best qb and HC to beat them.

348 yards of passing and 0 interceptions is nothing to sneeze at. If the defense hadn't held in the red zone, it could have been much worse. Rodgers was borderline brilliant in that game. He beat us with a rookie wr Davante Adams to the tune of 6 for 121.

If Brady expects to beat Seattle, he will have to be patient and not force the ball. The offensive line will also need to hold up better than it has lately. Maybe even run well enough to pull up the linebackers and create space for the quick passing game. The problem is, we don't really have the offensive line to exploit Seattle's weaknesses. I trust Brady not to lose a close game, but if I were Seattle, I would ignore the long ball and just dare Brady to go over the top.
 
Last two years, SEA is 3-4 when rushing for less than 110 yards. You stop Lynch you beat SEA. As you say he is nowhere close to being at Rodgers's level in the passing game. I really have no issue if Wilson scrambles around for a few yards. What it means is that he is not finding open receivers and not making plays down field. If Wilson is forced to stay in the pocket and he needs to throw more than 25 times, SEA is 16-11 and is very, very beatable.

I think the Patriots could run a 3/4 front with Wilfork/Branch/Siliga and pretty much bottle up Lynch.

I'm less convinced we could contain Wilson. Hopefully the speed of Jones, Ayers, Collins, would be sufficient to get the job done.
 
I think the Patriots could run a 3/4 front with Wilfork/Branch/Siliga and pretty much bottle up Lynch.

I'm less convinced we could contain Wilson. Hopefully the speed of Jones, Ayers, Collins, would be sufficient to get the job done.

I thought this was interesting.

Russell Wilson’s 2013 inside/outside of the pocket passing stats:

INSIDE THE POCKET

322 attempts
213 completions
2,568 yards
20 TDs
5 INTs
66.1 completion percentage
8.0 yards per attempt
6.2 TD percentage
1.6 INT percentage
104.7 passer rating

OUTSIDE OF THE POCKET

153 attempts
87 completions
1,313 yards
9 TDs
4 INTs
56.9 completion percentage
8.6 yards per attempt
5.9 TD percentage
2.6 INT percentage
93.9 passer rating

Whether is inside or outside the pocket, hes pretty good.

I think they might want to come with 4 on the line (Nink and Jones as DE) w/ Hightower and Collins supporting the run/blitzing occasionally and sliding Wilson to the outside where their will be 5-6 DBs in coverage.

Great to think about the matchups...need to win couple before hand!:)
 
That is utterly ridiculous !! I could understand your stance if the team in question were the Bucs, Jaguars, Raiders etc. But your ilk, (you know the big deer), is wholly incredible for a dynastic team in its 14th consecutive winning and once again dominant season.
I'm not sure I follow. I'm calling JMC out for acting like a chicken little because the Patriots weren't playing up to their expectations against the Dolphins. I have no idea where this Joker-esque tirade is coming from.
 
Wow the Seahawks fans in that thread really dont respect us at all. Seems like they feel we will be a speedbump.

And for those saying it doesnt matter what QB they are playing when evaluating the defense. It absolutely does. Kapernick and arizonas 3rd string qb are horrible. If you consistently put your defense back on the field and in bad positions they will eventually break
 
Did you even consider that BB was resting his O-line injured, against the Jets, rather than the Bills?

Besides the scoreboard was a one point win; but could have been a four or even a nine point win. But BB was satisfied to use Victory formations after first and Goal from inside the 5yard line, with about two minutes to play.

Was BB resting them against the Pack too? That was the closest thing to a playoff game and the line was a sieve. Need to tighten up.
 
Was BB resting them against the Pack too? That was the closest thing to a playoff game and the line was a sieve. Need to tighten up.

Sometimes I wish people would correlate the Injury Report with the game performance.

The Pats were near the end of the tough Gauntlet set of games; and the toll was beginning to tell. The Pats O-line was dinged up for that game, and Brady did not have a great performance either. Still they went 7-1 over that span.
 
Yeah they're like mirror images of one another. Funny that this thread spawned off of a passing comment that we may not be able to do much on offense against a world class Super Bowl-winning defense and may have to win a defensive battle to win this hypothetical game. Only on this forum would that make me a mega troll...
Naturally, I have the upmost respect for the Seahawks. Their D plays football like it should be played. That said, I still believe they can be beaten. Force Wilson to stay in the pocket, give him no rush outlets and as best you can, try to shutdown their running game. I have faith our Secondary can win the individual match-ups against the Seahawks pass catchers.

The real story is whether or not the Patriots OL can hang with and beat the Seahawks DL. Brady has shredded comparable defenses before and he'll shred them again it's more can the Patriots first, get to the big dance and secondly, perform in the big dance?
 
Thanks everyone for chiming in. Now that the Pats are armed with all the information you've theoritecally provided we can theoretically win SB 49. Theoritcally, you guys are the best!!!!;)
 
This conversation is really irrelevant the Pats will win the SB with 2 things no matter WHO they come up against:

a) Give Brady time, he'll shred ANYONE to pieces. Not asking for a world of time but just enough so he can actually set his feet, which is what this pathetic o-line hasn't been able to do apart from a small stretch this season.

b) Don't give up 60 yard, 3rd and long passes like every Pats defense has in key situations since 07. Does anyone really think those Seahawks receivers scare Revis and Browner? CHILD PLEASE.

I'd be scared of Wilson's legs more than their receivers, but i'm pretty sure the most athletic LB in the NFL playing spy on him would do the trick ;)

Oh and i was gonna add a little c but didn't want to go overboard but here it is anyway: GRONK MUST BE THERE!!
 
This conversation is really irrelevant the Pats will win the SB with 2 things no matter WHO they come up against:

a) Give Brady time, he'll shred ANYONE to pieces. Not asking for a world of time but just enough so he can actually set his feet, which is what this pathetic o-line hasn't been able to do apart from a small stretch this season.

b) Don't give up 60 yard, 3rd and long passes like every Pats defense has in key situations since 07. Does anyone really think those Seahawks receivers scare Revis and Browner? CHILD PLEASE.

I'd be scared of Wilson's legs more than their receivers, but i'm pretty sure the most athletic LB in the NFL playing spy on him would do the trick ;)

Oh and i was gonna add a little c but didn't want to go overboard but here it is anyway: GRONK MUST BE THERE!!
Against Wilson, I can't shake the feeling that Defensive Ends or OLBs are of incredible importance when collapsing the pocket. They must maintain the edge at all costs and force Wilson to scramble up the middle. I could live with Wilson taking on Wilfork and Siliga/Branch up the middle given there's nearly 700 pounds of Mordor there.
 
Against Wilson, I can't shake the feeling that Defensive Ends or OLBs are of incredible importance when collapsing the pocket. They must maintain the edge at all costs and force Wilson to scramble up the middle. I could live with Wilson taking on Wilfork and Siliga/Branch up the middle given there's nearly 700 pounds of Mordor there.
Agreed and when they do bring pressure, they have to get to him and bring him down. I can't recall how many times I've seen teams bring pressure on Russell, get to him but he ends up doing some mission impossible, Houdini **** and avoiding the rush. That or don't allow him to break for big yards on a scramble.
 
Agreed and when they do bring pressure, they have to get to him and bring him down. I can't recall how many times I've seen teams bring pressure on Russell, get to him but he ends up doing some mission impossible, Houdini **** and avoiding the rush. That or don't allow him to break for big yards on a scramble.
Wilson's ability to create from nothing reminds me of Big Ben. When you get to him, you absolutely must bring him down.
 
Agreed and when they do bring pressure, they have to get to him and bring him down. I can't recall how many times I've seen teams bring pressure on Russell, get to him but he ends up doing some mission impossible, Houdini **** and avoiding the rush. That or don't allow him to break for big yards on a scramble.

I'm not sure how you quantify this skill set, but I'm on board, Wilson is special, and if you don't see it, you're not paying attention.

Here's a stat. Russel Wilson's Career interceptions:

2012: 11
2013: 9
2014: 6

If you are waiting for Wilson to implode, don't hold your breath.
 
I'm not sure how you quantify this skill set, but I'm on board, Wilson is special, and if you don't see it, you're not paying attention.

Here's a stat. Russel Wilson's Career interceptions:

2012: 11
2013: 9
2014: 6

If you are waiting for Wilson to implode, don't hold your breath.

He's a cool and smart cat, but they all have their moments. You get them in a situation where they "feel" they need to do something more, they will make a mistake
 
Wilson has had the same luxury as Brady had in his first few years. Namely, a defense capable of holding most teams to around 20 points a game. This has allowed him to develop as a quarterback without the pressure of having to carry a team.
 
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