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Red hearing. Now Aaron Rogers vs Brady? Sorry, not sure Tom wins.

What is a red hearing and what was the jury's decision?
 
In fairness to PM, during that 2006 playoff run he faced the #1 (BAL), #2 (NE), #3 (CHI), #18 (KC) teams in defensive passer rating and even the Chiefs were 11th in point allowed and had Ty Law at CB who has 9 career INTs vs him.

But the same can be said for most superbowl winning QB's. If you are going to win a SB, you are going to have to play tough defenses and play well against them. In 04 Brady faced the Steelers, ranked 1st in points allowed, and 3rd in defensive passing rating, and Philly, ranked 3rd and 8th in the same and had a combined passer rating of 118 for those two games. Also, the Pitt game was in Pitt and the Philly game was in a neutral site. So no HFA.
 
But the same can be said for most superbowl winning QB's. If you are going to win a SB, you are going to have to play tough defenses and play well against them. In 04 Brady faced the Steelers, ranked 1st in points allowed, and 3rd in defensive passing rating, and Philly, ranked 3rd and 8th in the same and had a combined passer rating of 118 for those two games. Also, the Pitt game was in Pitt and the Philly game was in a neutral site. So no HFA.

I'd like to think that the reason why Brady did well vs those teams is that A) He is a better QB;) and B) He had the threat of an all-pro RB in Dillon that served as a distraction & stay out of a lot of obvious passing situations. Brady did not light the world on fire during that playoff run. What he did do was brilliantly manage the game and make plays where he could.

While we don't know how this year's playoff run will turn out, it would not surprise me if because of the o-line's issues and lack of a consistent running threat, Brady does struggle in the playoffs and the defense carries the team- just like 01-04.
 
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He was awful during those playoffs and the Colts won despite him not because of him. Kind of like Roethlisberger the first time he won the SB.

Rapistberger was actually pretty good vs Cincy, Indy and Denver that year it's just that he was so epically bad against Seattle those games are forgotten.
 
15 interceptions is not a good year. I'm not sure it makes the perfect cut off point, but it might be as good as any. I can't off the top of my head think of any modern era seasons in which a QB has thrown MORE than 15 picks and had what we'd consider to be a good season.

I don't know what one would consider the modern era. Wikipedia tells me the 70s and 80s, which doesn't seem modern at all. I'd argue the past 8 or 9 years have been a completely different era after Peyton and the Colts got a bunch of rule changes implemented. I've already pointed out two NFL MVPs who have thrown more than 15 INTs (Manning in 2009, Warner in 2001). But even if you just became an NFL fan this season, you would find 3 examples in 2014 alone.

Andrew Luck (38 TDs, 16 INTs, 95.4 RAT) and Philip Rivers (31 TDs, 16 INTs, 95.8 RAT) have both thrown more than 15 INTs with 1 game to play and both have been mentioned in the MVP discussion this year. They've dropped since that time, but I have no problem saying they've had a good season. And Manning's 39 TDs, 15 INTs, 102.9 RAT are pretty damn good this season too. If the season finished today, it would be the 5th-best season in terms of RAT for Manning.

Drew Brees co-led the league in INTs (19) in 2012, but he also led the league in TDs (43) as well as yards (5,177). In 2010, he threw 33 TDs, 22 INTs, and 4,620 yards. In fact, Brees has 7 seasons of 15+ INTs as well. They're not all the same of course. Early years in San Diego like 2002 (17 TDs, 16 INTs, 76.9 RAT) and 2001 (11 TDs, 15 INTs, 67.5 RAT) are not the same as 2012 (43 TDs, 19 INTs, 96.3 RAT) and 2008 (34 TDs, 17 INTs, 96.2 RAT). We can at least agree on that right?

We covered Manning's 2009 MVP season but Matt Schaub also had one of his best seasons with 29 TDs, 15 INTs, 4,770 yards and 98.6 RAT. In 2007, Tony Romo led the Cowboys to a 13-3 record while throwing 36 TDs, 19 INTs, 4,211 yards, and 97.4 RAT. Romo also had a second season in 2012 where he tied with Brees for the INT lead, throwing 29 TDs, 19 INTs, 4,903 yards and 90.5 RAT.

These are the great seasons. I'm not even going to start with all of the "good" seasons with 15 INTs or more because there will be lots of bickering whether Matt Ryan's 2013 26 TDs/17 INTs/89.6 RAT should count or Andy Dalton's 2013 season with 33 TDs, 20 INTs, 4,293 yards and 88.8 RAT which we would accept in a heartbeat from Jimmy G or any non-Brady Patriots QB.

15 INTs is usually a rough season, I agree. But it certainly doesn't tell the whole story, or even come close. When it treats Manning's rookie season of 26 TDs/28 INTs/71.2 RAT season the same as Manning's 2009 MVP season of 33 TDs/16 INTs/99.9 RAT season, it's obviously a terrible way of rating QBs.
 
The Broncos are the most talented team on paper in the AFC. Not getting to the SB would be a blemish on manning and Fox
 
I love Michal Irvin. He just told the truth about Manning and said that he knew it meant he would probably never work again. He said he played with two QB's, Troy Aikman and Steve Walsh, and the present day Manning was.......(drumroll please)


STEVE WALSH

Rich Eisen then compared the Manning family to Luca Brazzi

Awesome
 
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