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In football, there are three named positions.....franchise QB, franchise LT, shutdown CB.

The problem with your thesis is that none of those guys mentioned are remotely elite as Revis and none are shut down corners

BB pays top dollar for rare elite talent.......Revis is that......these others guys are not.

Besides all those other guys have character and medical issues.
the thing with Revis is at 30 years old he may not be a shutdown CB anymore BB is already not putting him on guys with sprinter speed like mike Wallace and T.Y Hilton and in todays NFL getting to the QB is the only way to really shutdown a teams pass offense,

as for the other players BB has signed at lest one guy almost ever year since he has been the HC of the pats with character or medical issues and Suh maybe the best DT in the NFL if he is not an Elite player then I don't know who is. now the pats may not sign any of the players including Revis we will see how the off season goes but for my money I would sign any one of does youngers players over Revis
 
If I'm Revis, this is what I would do:

Limit myself to a contender -- so about 6 teams
If the Patriots get bounced before the Superbowl, I would give the Patriots no hometown discount as I'd be weary of the chances of winning it all with the Patriots.

If the Patriots lose in the superbowl, I would come back as long as the Patriots offer 90% of what another contender offers.

If the Patriots win the superbowl, I would comeback if the if the Patriots offer about 80% of the next best contender offer -- a potential second superbowl could really make his career standout amongst top corners of all time consideration.

I see the Patriots offering something like 3 years, 12-14m/year. I don't think they'd go beyond 3 years at his age; so if another team like Denver/Seattle/Indy/GB offered 4 years at 14m/year that would be hard to pass up
 
If the rest of the defense sucks...how exactly does an "elite" DE take over a game?

JJ Watt is way beyond all world yet Houston goes 2-14......go figure......

Your problem is you are part of the cabal at patsfans.com that vastly overrate pass rushers.

A true shutdown corner is vastly more valuable than any pass rusher.

The rest of the secondary does not have to as good because the rest of the offensive skill positions are not as good.

Last year they went 2-14 because of extraordinarily bad luck in one-score games. This year they're 8-7 and still have some playoff hopes despite starting a combination of Tom Savage, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Ryan Mallett at QB, mostly because Watt is a borderline superhero who singlehandedly destroys gameplans.

The "Texans went 2-14 with Watt so he can't be that great" argument is every bit as ******ed as the "Pats went 11-5 without Brady so he must not be that great" argument. Unfortunately, you're part of the cabal at Patsfans that speaks as a condescending authority on subjects when you know maybe a tenth as much as you claim to.
 
the thing with Revis is at 30 years old he may not be a shutdown CB anymore BB is already not putting him on guys with sprinter speed like mike Wallace and T.Y Hilton and in todays NFL getting to the QB is the only way to really shutdown a teams pass offense,
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the thing with Revis is at 30 years old he may not be a shutdown CB anymore BB is already not putting him on guys with sprinter speed like mike Wallace and T.Y Hilton and in todays NFL getting to the QB is the only way to really shutdown a teams pass offense,

as for the other players BB has signed at lest one guy almost ever year since he has been the HC of the pats with character or medical issues and Suh maybe the best DT in the NFL if he is not an Elite player then I don't know who is. now the pats may not sign any of the players including Revis we will see how the off season goes but for my money I would sign any one of does youngers players over Revis

I'd watch the four games the Broncos played against Seattle and New England to test the thesis on shutting down passing offenses.

Besides, BB has a different "elite" rating system.........very few qualify...Revis is one of them.
 
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Some comments on the comments:

1. Everything written right now by ANYONE is just pure speculation. Talking to the "usual sources" (meaning Revis' agents and entourage) isn't going to reveal anything substantive. They aren't going to say anything that will lessen his bargaining position. Talking to sources within the organization....well are you kidding. You are more likely to get this week's nuclear launch codes, than any info worthwhile from the Route 1 Kremlin. In the end, no one has a better or more informed opinion than YOURS.

2. In the end Revis WILL get paid. Think about it. The Pats "low ball" "team friendly" offer is likely to be in excess of $12MM/yr, with over 60% guaranteed. THAT's his downside. His upside is in the $16MM/yr range, and if he were 27/28, I'd be thrilled to give it to him, but he isn't. So the reality, IMHO, is something in the $14MM/yr range from the Pats.

3. The other part of the reality is that I wouldn't be shocked if he gets that $16MM/yr offer from some other team. THEN we will find out if Revis truly is "all about the money". Because he will have to decide if a "measly" $2MM/yr is worth all the benefits of playing in NE

4. In other words, is it worth about 10% more money vs playing in a sound organization, make the playoffs every year, play on a defense that should be even better next year (and so should the offense), a good locker room., and brand yourself as a winning team player. He would be like a reverse Micheal Haynes, playing for mostly crap NE teams, and ending his career winning superbowls with the Raiders.

5. It should be noted that should Revis leave, what we'd have left (Browner, Dennard, Ryan, Arrington, Butler, etc) wouldn't be as good a secondary as with him, but it would be a good deal better and deeper than most of the CB groups we've had here since 2007 .

6. Patsfan 82 made a very interesting observation I hadn't considered. If the Pats are willing to commit 14MM/ for Revis and we don't get him, how much worse would the defense be if they spent a bit lless and picked up a Suh, Hardy, JPP, or Houston instead.

With Mayo returning, and Hightower and Collins likely to be even better next year a Suh, Hardy, or JPP would make the DL that already will have Jones, Wilfolk, and Easley a formidable unit (of course, I'm assuming just a bit about Easley's potential here)

7. The point of #6 is to speculate if the so called Revis money is spent on a real impact player not named Revis, to what degree will the defense be better or worse?
Ken, are these deliberate comments or idle thoughts?
 
the thing with Revis is at 30 years old he may not be a shutdown CB anymore BB is already not putting him on guys with sprinter speed like mike Wallace and T.Y Hilton and in todays NFL getting to the QB is the only way to really shutdown a teams pass offense,

as for the other players BB has signed at lest one guy almost ever year since he has been the HC of the pats with character or medical issues and Suh maybe the best DT in the NFL if he is not an Elite player then I don't know who is. now the pats may not sign any of the players including Revis we will see how the off season goes but for my money I would sign any one of does youngers players over Revis

We can't know for sure since Belichick will never say, but it could also be that Belichick wants safety help over the top on guys with Hilton/Wallace speed at all times, and if the corner on those guys is going to have safety help anyway, it's kind of a waste of Revis' talents to put him there. Better to let him take away one of the other receivers by himself.
 
the pats will pay market value if you are one of the Elites at your position and he is but is paying a 30 year old CB 11 plus million over a 3 to 4 year contract a good move ? there are guys like Jason Pierre-Paul, Ndamukong Suh, Justin Houston, Greg Hardy and Mike Iupati, that could hit the market all younger then Revis and IMO would have just as big if not a bigger impact on the team and in the same price range as Revis,

its just a dream but think about it you cut Wilfork who at 34 may get cut anyways and let revis go and add Suh next to jones on the DL and you still got the money to bring back McCourty and Ayers with Browner and add a CB and G in the first and 2th round

Jason Pierre-Paul may be younger than Revis, but I would be willing to bet just about anything that he has fewer years of productive football left in him than Revis does. Same with Iupati, probably.
 
Last year they went 2-14 because of extraordinarily bad luck in one-score games. This year they're 8-7 and still have some playoff hopes despite starting a combination of Tom Savage, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Ryan Mallett at QB, mostly because Watt is a borderline superhero who singlehandedly destroys gameplans.

The "Texans went 2-14 with Watt so he can't be that great" argument is every bit as ******ed as the "Pats went 11-5 without Brady so he must not be that great" argument. Unfortunately, you're part of the cabal at Patsfans that speaks as a condescending authority on subjects when you know maybe a tenth as much as you claim to.

It should be realized that players that take over don't need luck. That's the problem with people confronted with reality that disproves the nonsense they feel they need to believe.

Yeah....great.....some playoff hopes.......thanks for making my point.

Your real goal should be to strive to attain that tenth.

You might want to talk to that jay52 poster.....seems more your level.
 
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I wonder how much Oakland will offer him? Maybe they'll get in a bidding war with Buffalo. Maybe he'll go back to Tampa and work on getting better as a zone corner. One thing we know, it' going to be the highest bidder no matter what. Maybe Tennessee. They're only a quarterback and a coach and a front office away from something, but all that matters is the long green. These guys would rather have long miserable careers in losing cities that they hate, as long as they get more money, because you know it makes a big difference in the lifestyle of players that grew up in modest means whether they have an extra 50 or 60 million dollars. Not like they care where they live, how their teams succeed, the pride they and their team mates take in their professionalism and success. Nope, it's all and only about the Benjamins.
 
Last year they went 2-14 because of extraordinarily bad luck in one-score games. This year they're 8-7 and still have some playoff hopes despite starting a combination of Tom Savage, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Ryan Mallett at QB, mostly because Watt is a borderline superhero who singlehandedly destroys gameplans.

The "Texans went 2-14 with Watt so he can't be that great" argument is every bit as ******ed as the "Pats went 11-5 without Brady so he must not be that great" argument. Unfortunately, you're part of the cabal at Patsfans that speaks as a condescending authority on subjects when you know maybe a tenth as much as you claim to.

I just witnessed a public execution. Well done, sir. Well done.
 
In modern pass happy NFL, I'd also add un-blockable DL.

Ideally, the best scenario is four guys who can get pressure. However, Seattle provides the best example of a rotation that can get pressure.
 
I wonder how much Oakland will offer him? Maybe they'll get in a bidding war with Buffalo. Maybe he'll go back to Tampa and work on getting better as a zone corner. One thing we know, it' going to be the highest bidder no matter what. Maybe Tennessee. They're only a quarterback and a coach and a front office away from something, but all that matters is the long green. These guys would rather have long miserable careers in losing cities that they hate, as long as they get more money, because you know it makes a big difference in the lifestyle of players that grew up in modest means whether they have an extra 50 or 60 million dollars. Not like they care where they live, how there teams succeed, the pride they and their team mates take in their professionalism and success. Nope, it's all and only about the Benjamens.
Yes. God, spirituality, love, personal relationships, meeting and overcoming challenges, working with others toward a common goal, doing something original or creative, enjoying nature, artistry, etc., etc. -- all that pales in comparison to amassing as much money and buying as many worldly possessions as is humanly possible. Because, you know, being filthy rich when you die regardless of how you lived your life is VERY important! o_O
 
I thought it was pretty well known his preference this season was to sign with the Jets who didn't make an offer.

I've yet to see an agent NOT play one team off another

Officially they'd take an offer from EVERY team to set the market as high as possible

New York does offer the benefit of having to over pay and a lucrative endorsement/media market as well

But you didn't exactly see him courting Tampa Bay too closely either

But again, to my point - WHY wasn't a bottom dweller team interested in tying up so much cap space for Revis??? Because it just makes no sense to use all that salary to vault from being a bad team to a mediocre one
 
I'm gonna need a size XXXX in panties so I can get them in a bunch along with everyone else....:rolleyes:
 
Adam shefter: "According to my sources, at this time it is being reported that a bear does indeed **** in the woods."
 
Jason Pierre-Paul may be younger than Revis, but I would be willing to bet just about anything that he has fewer years of productive football left in him than Revis does. Same with Iupati, probably.
you could be right but if revis is looking to get top dollar 13 to 14 million you could get Iupati for half that and you protect and extend the career of the only guy that matters when it comes to winning for the pats Tom Brady
 
the pats will pay market value if you are one of the Elites at your position and he is but is paying a 30 year old CB 11 plus million over a 3 to 4 year contract a good move ? there are guys like Jason Pierre-Paul, Ndamukong Suh, Justin Houston, Greg Hardy and Mike Iupati, that could hit the market all younger then Revis and IMO would have just as big if not a bigger impact on the team and in the same price range as Revis,

its just a dream but think about it you cut Wilfork who at 34 may get cut anyways and let revis go and add Suh next to jones on the DL and you still got the money to bring back McCourty and Ayers with Browner and add a CB and G in the first and 2th round

None of those players are once in a generation player though.
 
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