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What do you guys think of this. I know it is very unlikely but here is my dream draft for the first three rounds.

1st: tj clemmings(or best available linemen). It's well documented we need to bolster the oline. I think he's someone who can grow into a starting role.
2nd: Todd gurley. Is a top tier tv who can take loads off of Brady and the receivers. He's an AP type of talent that might be able to be had this late because of injury.
3rd: and the most unlikely to happen. Dorial green-beckam. He's a top end wr talent. He's someone who was projected to go above amari cooper and be the top prospect in the draft this year. I know he's had problems but hopefully he can straighten out. He has the spew to take the top off of offenses and the size to take advantage of cb's.

I know it's very unlikely but this would be a great draft.

I'd be ecstatic with the first two and hopeful about DGB but he scares me so much.
 
What do you guys think of this. I know it is very unlikely but here is my dream draft for the first three rounds.

1st: tj clemmings(or best available linemen). It's well documented we need to bolster the oline. I think he's someone who can grow into a starting role.
2nd: Todd gurley. Is a top tier tv who can take loads off of Brady and the receivers. He's an AP type of talent that might be able to be had this late because of injury.
3rd: and the most unlikely to happen. Dorial green-beckam. He's a top end wr talent. He's someone who was projected to go above amari cooper and be the top prospect in the draft this year. I know he's had problems but hopefully he can straighten out. He has the spew to take the top off of offenses and the size to take advantage of cb's.

I know it's very unlikely but this would be a great draft.

I am ok with Gurley on Day 3. I doubt even the ACL will make him will fall that far but before that I dont see any value. First two picks into the trenches. Now if we can orchestrate a trade-down scenario where we get an additional D2 pick I am game..
 
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After that "performance" yesterday, is there any more doubt whatsoever that LG & WR are priorities
1 & 2 on offense, if not overall, for the off-season?
 
After that "performance" yesterday, is there any more doubt whatsoever that LG & WR are priorities
1 & 2 on offense, if not overall, for the off-season?

LG has always been one of the top priorities. WR ... not so much. Take any team's top WR out of the lineup and their passing game will suffer.
 
I think with our record of drafting WRs, I think we should just draft one, or two, day three WRs every year until we hit on one.
 
My off-season moves for the offense.

#1 Restructure/Cut Solder - This is a big move to make. Pats fans will be up in arms about it. However when it comes down to it I need to be honest and ask "Is he good enough to start for my team and me to feel comfortable?" The answer is no. He is not. I don't trust him to start whether he is paid 1 M or 10 M.

I would keep him for a backup of course if he is cheap but that won't happen. He is one of those players painfully in the middle/below average category where he is not so bad he plays himself out of the job but not good enough to make you comfortable. That is not good enough for Brady's LT. Get someone else. Draft him, sign him. I don't care. I want this spot addressed.

#2 Draft a Guard - upgrade Connolly and save 4M doing it. This money can be spent on your LT too!

#3 Renegotiate Amendola - I think he wants to stay here. Honestly I don't mind him. He is no game breaker but a decent depth option and knows the system. If he takes a pay cut and gets paid like a #3 WR I have no issue keeping him.

#4 Keep Vereen let the other RBs fight it out and pay nothing - Ridley be good to keep but only if he is cheap. Blount/Grey/Gaffney/Develin/Bolden... Whatever happens is fine. Just keep Vereen and peice the rest together.

Overall here is how i see it.

Solder cut - save 7M
Connolly cut - save 4M (what he cost you this year... projected savings)
Amendola restructured - save 2M

Sign Bryan Bulaga - OT (instant upgrade at OT) cost 9M
Draft AJ Cann - OG
Draft Cameron Erving OT/OG
Draft low round WR for competition.

Team looks like this

Starter & Key backups.

QB - Brady Gara
TE - Gronk Wright Hooman
RB - Vereen Grey Gaffney Develin (they are the 2 cheapest... keep them)
OL - Bulaga Cann Stork Erving Vollmer Wendell Cannon Flemming (good depth here now... will explain more laterl
WR - Edelman Lafell Amendola Dobson draft pick.

OL details

In this scenario Bulaga, Vollmer, Stork and Cann are sure starters. Erving probably beats out Wendell but not for sure at least to start the year. Cannon backups OTs. Wendell backs up interior Flemming backups everyone but is used a lot as a blocking TE too so even with him down on the depth chart he still sees minutes probably at the expense of Hooman. Cannon plays next year but is cut the year after to save money and this is your core 7 for the rest of Brady's career.
 
I think the Solder hate is getting a bit out of control when people are willing to cut him and then pay more to a guy who doesn't even play the same position and didn't finish the 2012 season or play at all in 2013.
 
I think the Solder hate is getting a bit out of control when people are willing to cut him and then pay more to a guy who doesn't even play the same position and didn't finish the 2012 season or play at all in 2013.

Absolutely. Bryan Bulaga isn't nearly the LT that Solder is, either, despite Solder's struggles this year.

Personally, I think that whether or not Solder is in the long term plan at LT depends more on his agent and his asking price than on his struggles this year. Sort out the LG position and Solder will settle down.
 
After that "performance" yesterday, is there any more doubt whatsoever that LG & WR are priorities
1 & 2 on offense, if not overall, for the off-season?

I agree that the offensive line (particularly OG) and wide receiver positions should be addressed via the 2015 draft and UDFA.

However, I also believe that people are overreacting a wee bit due to the shaky start to the game this past Sunday.
 
I just don't like Solder period. He has cost you too many games and allowed too many hits.

I don't believe he is the solution. I would rather take a chance on a new guy. If you don't like Bulaga fine then get someone else. Maybe put Erving at OT or trade up for a pure OT. I just don't want Solder on Brady's blindside anymore. They need to improve the OL and the OG is not going to be able to help Solder win 1 on 1 match ups against premier pass rushers that I see him lose all the time.

Personally I think you are all a bit down on Bulaga but that is neither here or there. I don't know what the question is but the answer is no Solder and I am scared to death they are going to sign him long term and he is going to be getting Brady killed for years to come.
 
I just don't like Solder period. He has cost you too many games and allowed too many hits.

I don't believe he is the solution. I would rather take a chance on a new guy. If you don't like Bulaga fine then get someone else. Maybe put Erving at OT or trade up for a pure OT. I just don't want Solder on Brady's blindside anymore. They need to improve the OL and the OG is not going to be able to help Solder win 1 on 1 match ups against premier pass rushers that I see him lose all the time.

Personally I think you are all a bit down on Bulaga but that is neither here or there. I don't know what the question is but the answer is no Solder and I am scared to death they are going to sign him long term and he is going to be getting Brady killed for years to come.

I get that you don't like Solder, but personally I think you're creating a bigger problem than one that exists. Solder has struggled this year, but that's largely due to a lack of consistency and cohesion in the OL overall, and particularly at LG. I'll be very surprised if the Pats cut ties with him. LTs are hard to find, period, and there a lot of teams with worse ones out there than Solder. I think you're living in a dream world if you think a rookie OT is going to step in and outplay Solder. JMHO, and you're obviously entitled to your opinion.
 
Solder started 13 games as a rookie in 2011. Vollmer was hurt much of the year. Oh, we went to the Super Bowl. Brady didn't get killed. We finished second in scoring 513 pt. He started all 16 games in 2012 after Matt Light retired. We finished 1st in the NFL in scoring with 557 points.. He started 15 games last year. Whole offense struggled at times because of AHern loss, Gronk hurt and 3 rookie wr's. Brady didn't get killed. We finished 3rd in scoring. 444 points one behind Chicago or second. He's struggled in some games this year. Brady didn't get killed. And, we lead the league in scoring again. 459 thru 15 games.

When a speed-rusher runs upfield past Solder. And, he pushes him further and Brady steps up in the pocket. That's not a bad block. He seems to have struggled when guys use leverage and come right at him this year. I think it's a technique issue, not a talent one. He probably misses Scar. But, he'll get over it.

http://www.nfl.com/player/natesolder/2495232/profile
 
I just don't like Solder period. He has cost you too many games and allowed too many hits.

I don't believe he is the solution. I would rather take a chance on a new guy. If you don't like Bulaga fine then get someone else. Maybe put Erving at OT or trade up for a pure OT. I just don't want Solder on Brady's blindside anymore. They need to improve the OL and the OG is not going to be able to help Solder win 1 on 1 match ups against premier pass rushers that I see him lose all the time.

Personally I think you are all a bit down on Bulaga but that is neither here or there. I don't know what the question is but the answer is no Solder and I am scared to death they are going to sign him long term and he is going to be getting Brady killed for years to come.

At the risk of coming across too pedantic, I am curious about the bolded portion of your post?

The first part comes across as simply your own personal taste (or distaste in this instance), which is fine, but the second sentence merits belaboring on your part, if you so choose.

Specifically, which games has Solder cost the Patriots? To my knowledge, it is seemingly rare to definitively pinpoint losses on one player in the game of football, let alone an offensive lineman whose success or failure is oftentimes tethered to the other linemen around him executing assignments.

As to the idea of Brady taking too many hits, I must admit that I have not watched every game this season, but in those that I have been able to watch, I have not seen Brady taking an inordinate number of hits, relative to previous seasons in his career.

Perhaps if someone was able to collate all of the hits and knockdowns hitherto that Brady has absorbed this season, and compare these numbers to the numbers in past seasons, it would lend more credence to your evaluation?

Otherwise, I am merely content to assume that this is just a reductive statement that reflects your personal distaste with Solder (who has been a solid player so far in his career, albeit with a few shaky performances this season in certain spots).

P.S. Football Outsiders lists the Patriots as the number 4 run blocking line and the number 2 pass blocking line FWIW...

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol
 
LTs are hard to find, period, and there a lot of teams with worse ones out there than Solder. I think you're living in a dream world if you think a rookie OT is going to step in and outplay Solder. JMHO, and you're obviously entitled to your opinion.

I agree. There is no realistic option to upgrade Solder. The great ones are rarely let go and if they are they are too expensive.

A rookie, especially where we are drafting, will not play better than him immediately.

As you say Mayo, the most reasonable way to improve the overall OL play is to upgrade the guard next to Solder. If Nate only has to worry about his job it might just help him get back to where he was two years ago.
 
This thread on the main board got me thinking some about FA options who might not break the bank:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...to-see-brought-in-in-fa.1114586/#post-4040915

With that in mind, I was think about the following for the offense:

Free Agency:

1. Let Dan Connolly and Stevan Ridley walk in FA.
2. Re-sign RFA FB James Develin and RB Brandon Bolden.
3. Extend Nate Solder, and possibly restructure Sebastian Vollmer. Solder, Vollmer, Cannon, Fleming, Stork and Wendell are locked in at OL.
4. Cut Danny Amendola with a post-June 1 designation - 2015 cap savings of $4.5M per Miguel.
5. Sign UFA WR Eddie Royal (San Diego). Maybe contract similar to Brandon LaFell's. Say 3 years/$12M for now, with a 2015 cap hit of around $3.5M.
6. Possibly extend UFA RB Shane Vereen. I'd personally also look at San Diego RB Ryan Mathews, a bigger more physical back than Vereen with good receiving and blocking skills. Mathews has had durability problems (as has Vereen), but I think he'd be good as part of a RBBC and would add another dimension in terms of a back who can run inside and also be a viable receiving threat - sort of a (very) poor man's LeVeon Bell. If both of those are too expensive, then this becomes a draft priority.
8. Release Michael Hoomanawanui and sign either UFA move TE Lance Kendricks (St. Louis) or Rob Housler (Arizona). Neither should break the bank. Cutting Hooman saves $1.2M in 2015 cap space.
If neither of those worked out, I'd consider picking up a move TE like Lance Kendricks (I assume Charles Clay won't make it to FA, though he would also be an option).
7. Sign Seattle UFA OG/OT James Carpenter. Say around 3-4 years/$12-16M. Carpenter is 6 years younger than Dan Connolly, and would be an upgrade as a starting LG.

Restructuring Brady saves around $4M in cap space, and cutting Amendola with a post-June 1 designation saves around $4.5M. A long term deal with Nate Solder should also lower his 2015 cap number. I'm guessing these movings could save around $10M. Subtract around $3.5M in 2015 cap space for Eddie Royal, another $3.5M or so for James Carpenter, and there's enough money to extend Vereen or add someone like Mathews or a move TE, with some left over.

With those changes, the Pats would have the following going into the draft:

QB: Brady, Garoppolo
RB: Vereen/Mathews (or no one), Blount, Gray, White, Bolden.
WR: Edelman, LaFell, Royal, Dobson, Tyms/Boyce. Tim Wright can also be used as a split end.
TE: Gronk, Wright, Kendricks/Housler
OL: Solder-Carpenter-Stork-Fleming/Wendell-Vollmer as starters; Cannon, Wendell/Fleming, Kline and Devey as reserves

2015 Draft:

1. Use on DL - either DT or a pass rusher.
2. Trade up to take an offensive skill player - Minnesota TE Maxx Williams would be ideal. A RB like Tevin Coleman might also be a good value.
3. Best available OL. Someone like Jake Fisher or Jeremiah Poutasi would be nice.
3 (comp). Use on DL - either a pass rusher or DT.
4 (TB). Used to trade up in the 2nd round.
4. Best available OL. Robert Miles from Tennessee St. is looking like a day 3 good value pick.
6 (TB). DeAndre Smelter, WR, Georgia Tech. Give him a red shirt year in 2015 to get healthy, and he steps into the lineup in 2016.
6 (comp). Best available RB. DJ Foster from Arizona St. would be a nice Vereen replacement.
7 (Tenn). Tre McBride, WR, William & Mary. Competes with Tyms and Boyce for the 5th WR spot in 2015.
 
How we gonna keep these guys; McCourty, Ayers, Casillas, Branch, Silega and Gostkowski if you're spending that much on offense? Can't afford Carpenter IMO. Seattle has much more cap-space than us. If they want him, they can afford to keep him. Eddie Royal would be a nice fit IMO. Not even sure we can afford him. But, we might be able to improve RB and LG in the draft. No faith in finding an immediate wr who can help. Hoping Dobson stays healthy.
 
This thread on the main board got me thinking some about FA options who might not break the bank:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...to-see-brought-in-in-fa.1114586/#post-4040915

With that in mind, I was think about the following for the offense:

Free Agency:

1. Let Dan Connolly and Stevan Ridley walk in FA.
2. Re-sign RFA FB James Develin and RB Brandon Bolden.
3. Extend Nate Solder, and possibly restructure Sebastian Vollmer. Solder, Vollmer, Cannon, Fleming, Stork and Wendell are locked in at OL.
4. Cut Danny Amendola with a post-June 1 designation - 2015 cap savings of $4.5M per Miguel.
5. Sign UFA WR Eddie Royal (San Diego). Maybe contract similar to Brandon LaFell's. Say 3 years/$12M for now, with a 2015 cap hit of around $3.5M.
6. Possibly extend UFA RB Shane Vereen. I'd personally also look at San Diego RB Ryan Mathews, a bigger more physical back than Vereen with good receiving and blocking skills. Mathews has had durability problems (as has Vereen), but I think he'd be good as part of a RBBC and would add another dimension in terms of a back who can run inside and also be a viable receiving threat - sort of a (very) poor man's LeVeon Bell. If both of those are too expensive, then this becomes a draft priority.
8. Release Michael Hoomanawanui and sign either UFA move TE Lance Kendricks (St. Louis) or Rob Housler (Arizona). Neither should break the bank. Cutting Hooman saves $1.2M in 2015 cap space.
If neither of those worked out, I'd consider picking up a move TE like Lance Kendricks (I assume Charles Clay won't make it to FA, though he would also be an option).
7. Sign Seattle UFA OG/OT James Carpenter. Say around 3-4 years/$12-16M. Carpenter is 6 years younger than Dan Connolly, and would be an upgrade as a starting LG.

Restructuring Brady saves around $4M in cap space, and cutting Amendola with a post-June 1 designation saves around $4.5M. A long term deal with Nate Solder should also lower his 2015 cap number. I'm guessing these movings could save around $10M. Subtract around $3.5M in 2015 cap space for Eddie Royal, another $3.5M or so for James Carpenter, and there's enough money to extend Vereen or add someone like Mathews or a move TE, with some left over.

With those changes, the Pats would have the following going into the draft:

QB: Brady, Garoppolo
RB: Vereen/Mathews (or no one), Blount, Gray, White, Bolden.
WR: Edelman, LaFell, Royal, Dobson, Tyms/Boyce. Tim Wright can also be used as a split end.
TE: Gronk, Wright, Kendricks/Housler
OL: Solder-Carpenter-Stork-Fleming/Wendell-Vollmer as starters; Cannon, Wendell/Fleming, Kline and Devey as reserves

2015 Draft:

1. Use on DL - either DT or a pass rusher.
2. Trade up to take an offensive skill player - Minnesota TE Maxx Williams would be ideal. A RB like Tevin Coleman might also be a good value.
3. Best available OL. Someone like Jake Fisher or Jeremiah Poutasi would be nice.
3 (comp). Use on DL - either a pass rusher or DT.
4 (TB). Used to trade up in the 2nd round.
4. Best available OL. Robert Miles from Tennessee St. is looking like a day 3 good value pick.
6 (TB). DeAndre Smelter, WR, Georgia Tech. Give him a red shirt year in 2015 to get healthy, and he steps into the lineup in 2016.
6 (comp). Best available RB. DJ Foster from Arizona St. would be a nice Vereen replacement.
7 (Tenn). Tre McBride, WR, William & Mary. Competes with Tyms and Boyce for the 5th WR spot in 2015.

Interesting stuff there like usual Mayo. I was unaware so much could be saved on Amendola if you cut him after June 1st. I was thinking of keeping him around 1 more year cause the savings would not be worth it but never mind now if you can save that much. Also I see no reason to pay Hooman that amount. With Wright and Gronk a pure blocking TE is cheaper and probably better.

Instead of Royal who would cost a bit more than I'd like. I would prefer to go a bit cheaper and pick up a guy like Miles Austin who while not the game breaker Royal can be is dependable

I think with Gronk/Edelman/Lafell you don't need much more. I wouldn't sign a WR for more than 1.5M as things currently stand. Also don't forget you have Wright in your back pocket.

Carpenter is an interesting option. I am not against the signing but the price not going down at that spot could hurt you a bit on the defensive side where I think a bit more money than what is currently available will be needed to lock up all the guys I want to on that side.

Also I don't know how you restructure Brady to have his cap hit be less this year. His current hit is 13M which is well below any QB of that level. If anything that is going up not down. Either way I'd like to see a lot of stuff sorted out before the draft if possible to maximize options in the draft. I just hope we have the money to do it.
 
How we gonna keep these guys; McCourty, Ayers, Casillas, Branch, Silega and Gostkowski if you're spending that much on offense? Can't afford Carpenter IMO. Seattle has much more cap-space than us. If they want him, they can afford to keep him. Eddie Royal would be a nice fit IMO. Not even sure we can afford him. But, we might be able to improve RB and LG in the draft. No faith in finding an immediate wr who can help. Hoping Dobson stays healthy.

First, this is mainly a speculative exercise to kick the tires a bit. I haven't thought this through in detail yet, and I'm not advocating by any means that we do this.

Second, I've tried to make it clear in other threads that I think the priority is to keep the defense together if at all possible. I've tried to approach the defense as a "zero sum" situation, i.e., can we re-sign all of our FAs without increasing our net 2015 cap hit for defensive players currently under contract (around $70M). I think that can be accomplished, with the big question mark Revis' contract. My particular approach did NOT involve changes that lowered the 2015 cap hits for Mayo and Wilfork, and either of those could easily be addressed to free up more money.

As I mentioned in my post above, I think the offense can also be approached in a "zero sum" fashion. The main FAs on offense as of right now are:

- Stevan Ridley, RB
- Shane Vereen, RB
- Dan Connolly, OL
- Brandon Bolden, RB (RFA)
- James Develin, FB/H-Back (RFA)

Bolden and Develin were UDFAs, and their RFA tenders won't be exorbitant. In post #316 above I suggested that $10-12M could be easily freed up in 2015 cap space to spend on outside acquisitions without increasing the net spending on offense:

- $1.2M savings from cutting Hooman
- Savings from a long term deal with Solder (2015 cap hit would likely be $2M+ lower than his current $7.5M cap hit)
- $4.5M by cutting Amendola with a post June 1 designation, as outlined by Miguel
- $4M by converting $6M of Tom Brady's 2015 base salary into signing bonus, also as outlined by Miguel

I'm guessing that we could fit 2-3 mid range FA signings in under that cap space. The combined 2014 hits for Brandon LaFell and Julian Edelman was only $4.75M, for comparison. None of the FAs that I've mentioned are likely to be huge contracts - if they were, I don't think they would be worth even discussing. I'm not entertaining a bidding war with anyone for outside FAs - it's a question of whether teams want to spend to keep their own players.

Again, this is just an exercise.
 
I am thru with Nate Solder. I am thru with Dan Connolly.

Left Offensive Tackle and Left Offensive Guard are now the two top draft priorities.

Only you would wasn't to play an all rookie blind side.

Connolly is getting old and surviving on his wiles, and lack of competition from the PS UDFAs.

Solder is merely good and not All Pro, at this stage of his career.
Overall, Nate Solder has been hot garbage this season. Dan Connolly needs to be replaced since Dan Connolly is not the long term solution at offensive guard.

I have lost faith in the New England Patriots ability to draft a wide receiver. The New England Patriots would probably be better off loading up on collegiate UDFAs and utilize draft picks to shore up the offensive line.

Marcus Cannon has been terrible this season, regardless of position.
 


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