Greg Bedard "All he got for Christmas is two hours with two morons" listening thread

Bucs - Mariota
2 - Winston
If no off-field concerns would take Winston #1 overall.
3 Jaguars - Gregory
4 Jets - Shane Ray
5 Raiders - Brandon Shurff from Iowa

Cooper will go 5,6,7

Bedard is very high on Winston.

Miguel said:

Raiola is a very different player.

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dirty player

patsfanincleveland said:

Since when did 3-11 NY count towards a good team?

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I don't understand your point? Mine is he won't sit players because the opponent stinks.

Last time I checked, Belichick wasn't a fantasy football guy.

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Again,l don't understand your point. Mine is BB cares only about winning.

Do I think he would throw an important game because of booboo's? no

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I'm saying if a player can play, he plays, and BB will not sit a guy against a 'bad' team but would have played him against a good one.

Do I think he would sacrifice margin of victory week 16 for the longer term goals (and potential for greater success in the playoffs)...yup.... he did it Week 16 2012 Jacksonville.

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You don't sacrifice margin of victory, you sacrifice liklihood of victory.
This is my point. He will not overlook an opponent and sit players because he knows he will win without them.
That is absolutely not what happened in 2012. Players were injured and unable to play.

What's fascinating about this is it's like completely forgotten that the Patriots kinda like actually won the game Sunday and we have full participation this week at practice.

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I don't understand your point. Mine is BB does not look at opponents and decide whether 80% is OK to beat them or if they are one that deserves 100% effort.

Miguel said:

Bucs - Mariota
2 - Winston
If no off-field concerns would take Winston #1 overall.
3 Jaguars - Gregory
4 Jets - Shane Ray
5 Raiders - Brandon Shurff from Iowa

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FWIW (OK, nothing) Bucs radio guys and the fan polls here south of Tamper want the Bucs to take The Duck 2:1 over the FL guy Winston

Archeryaddict12 said:

I don't say he is, but let's throw a different angle on this, what if bill did not think it was stupid? We honestly have no clue what goes on in bbs head and his reasoning on a lot of things. We can only go on prior history and inference.

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He would not think its stupid to potentially lose a game by not giving 100%?
The concept here is that 'he knew the way to beat the Jets, but didn't do it'. That would be stupid in anyones book.

AndyJohnson said:

Thats stupider

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I never understood why we started putting Bedard on a pedasatal. Is it because he looks like a god in contrast to his co-hosts?

Rob0729 said:

I am posting on the fly at work. I meant what I what I described in my previous post. I apologize for not expanding on it to make my point clear.

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OK, I'm kind of lost now.
If you are saying BB would hold back a player who isn't 100% in order to allow him to not take a beating and recover to 100%, that is absolutely a part of the decision with injured players. The opponent sucks, certainly is not.

AndyJohnson said:

No you said they sat out players who would have played if the Jets were a good team.


Not the point. We aren't talking about choosing the 45 we are talking about sitting your best players because the opponent sucks so why give 100%.



First, that is ludicrous because we activated Steve Maneri instead.
Second, why activate Gray then?



This is exactly why I think you are miles off on this. If Edelman could play, and a bye and potential first seed is at stake, on the road against in a rivalry game, he is out there.

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Blount with the Pats has averaged something like 1 YPC against the Jets in two games. They activated Maneri because they wanted to have four RBs on the roster. Not like he saw the field on offense (not sure if he played special teams).

I am talking about resting players for the long run when facing a lesser opponent with a challenged offense. They are not resting players because they suck. He is resting players because it is an opportunity to rest them for the long haul.

I am getting tired arguing this. We are just posting the same things over and over. I am not going to go any further after this.

VrabelJr said:

I never understood why we started putting Bedard on a pedasatal. Is it because he looks like a god in contrast to his co-hosts?

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One of my concerns with these threads. The rest of the media spews crap. Bedard is intelligent.
However, Bedard is a reporter, not an analyst, and too many people take his anaysis as solid insight or even fact.

Rob0729 said:

Blount with the Pats has averaged something like 1 YPC against the Jets in two games. They activated Maneri because they wanted to have four RBs on the roster. Not like he saw the field on offense (not sure if he played special teams).

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So Maneri was not needed, and not part of the gameplan.
If Blount were able to play, certainly your starting RB would have a larger role.
There was no reason to deactivate him if he were healthy.

I am talking about resting players for the long run when facing a lesser opponent with a challenged offense. They are not resting players because they suck. He is resting players because it is an opportunity to rest them for the long haul.

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The suck part was that he decides to sit players and let his team suck just because he has no respect for the opponent and thinks he can beat them without a full team. That is just totally, 100% wrong.
BB does not rest players because he has a weak opponent on the schedule. Never has, never will.

I am getting tired arguing this. We are just posting the same things over and over. I am not going to go any further after this.

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Good because it is a ridiculous discussion any way.

Rob0729 said:

All agree you can't take Cincy or Denver seriously.

"Should book that flight to Arizona" No one matches up against them in the AFC

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I dunno if I agree with that. I could see the Ravens (if they make it) or the Steelers matching up reasonably well. I would expect us to win either game, but there would be some matchup issues to work out.

AndyJohnson said:

Good because it is a ridiculous discussion any way.

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No offense, but why do you have to be an ass to anyone who disagrees with you?

AndyJohnson said:

If Edelman could play, and a bye and potential first seed is at stake, on the road against in a rivalry game, he is out there.

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I don't have time to go through it all now and show it, but the Patriots do not treat all games equally, and are conscious of their opponent, and of the importance of the game, when deciding whether a guy should play. The timing of player's returns from injury over the course of the year suggests as much to me.

Would you not agree with this? Which leads me to suggest that if this past Sunday were the AFC divisional game, I would guess Edelman is playing. We've run guys out there the next week after concussions plenty, including in the playoffs (Hernandez). We can guess that given Edelman did not leave the game for his concussion that his is on a similar or lesser severity of other concussion examples.

Lots of thanks to the folks who transcribe Bedard's segment on F&M. I look forward to this every week as I'm at work and can't listen. I love reading what he has to say and the occassional friction between him and the two dbags. But the pissing matches between patsfans members in the Bedard thread? We could really do without it...

Rob0729 said:

No offense, but why do you have to be an ass to anyone who disagrees with you?

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I find it ridiculous that Bill Belichick would look at the schedule and say 'they suck, lets give it 80% and win by a few points because we don't need to give it 100% and win by 20".
That is what your argument amounts to.
I find your argument ludicrous, but that is nothing personal. You have many opinions I agree with but this one is out there. I did not know stating my opinion meant I was being an ass to you.
Does that mean you are being an ass to me by disagreeing with me?

AndyJohnson said:

I don't understand your point? Mine is he won't sit players because the opponent stinks.


Again,l don't understand your point. Mine is BB cares only about winning.


I'm saying if a player can play, he plays, and BB will not sit a guy against a 'bad' team but would have played him against a good one.


You don't sacrifice margin of victory, you sacrifice liklihood of victory.
This is my point. He will not overlook an opponent and sit players because he knows he will win without them.
That is absolutely not what happened in 2012. Players were injured and unable to play.


I don't understand your point. Mine is BB does not look at opponents and decide whether 80% is OK to beat them or if they are one that deserves 100% effort.

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Did players sit?

Did they win? The likelihood is the team wins loses or ties.

That's what BB cares about.

Actually that's what happened in 2012 in Jacksonville......and they won that game.

The guys who sat out Sunday are participants in practice not walking around on crutches.

The NFLN "Football Life" two parter on the 2009 season had a very interesting segment with BB debating if Welker should play Week 17 in Houston. My guess is that debacle has made him more calculating on this topic.

BradyFTW! said:

I dunno if I agree with that. I could see the Ravens (if they make it) or the Steelers matching up reasonably well. I would expect us to win either game, but there would be some matchup issues to work out.

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The fact that you have to put "If they make it" as a qualifier for the Ravens makes me believe they are not a team I would fear if I was the Pats. Their defense is not as good as it was 2 years ago.

And until I see otherwise, Brady absolutely owns **** LeBeau and I think they can slow down Roethlisberger and their offense which is Jeckyl and Hyde. I think the Pats match up well against the Steelers. Their zone blitz defense cannot match up with the Pats' offense. The only time they stopped Brady was when they threw him off guard and went to man defense which they rarely if ever do. But they do not have the secondary to do man this year.

AndyJohnson said:

I find it ridiculous that Bill Belichick would look at the schedule and say 'they suck, lets give it 80% and win by a few points because we don't need to give it 100% and win by 20".
That is what your argument amounts to.
I find your argument ludicrous, but that is nothing personal. You have many opinions I agree with but this one is out there. I did not know stating my opinion meant I was being an ass to you.
Does that mean you are being an ass to me by disagreeing with me?

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You do realizing telling people that their opinions are ridiculous is being an ass?