Article: Did the Jets Reveal Some Weaknesses in the Patriots' Armor?

It is a good article. I like it because it gets a bit into the X's and O's in a way I can understand
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2308084-did-the-jets-reveal-some-weaknesses-in-the-patriots-armor

Nothing new for those of us that have been following the Patriots, but a nice synopsis. The title is a bit misleading. Perhaps it should be 'Jets game shows the same thing we have known since 2007'

Jets always plays us like that..or have in the past 2-3 years at least 1 out of the 2 games...this year both games. They usually get pressure on Brady. And when you do that with any QB you are going to have a rough go of it

"That's how the Baltimore Ravens were able to end New England's Super Bowl dreams in 2012."

Why do people keep saying this? Baltimore got OK pressure in that game, but nothing more than normal. They took down NE in 2012 because they were able to rough up NE's receivers and force Brady to throw in very tight windows. As I said in another thread, they are also a smart team with instinctive guys who are rarely out of position.

Even then, it took a half dozen really dumb mistakes to not be leading that game at least 20-7 at halftime.

If you want to talk about pressure in 2007 or 2010, be my guest, but I wish people would stop slapping any NE loss into a narrative regardless of how well it actually fits.

The premise is flawed in many ways ... coaching staffs do not need another team to teach them anything.

We will struggle offensively with any team with a strong D-Line as part of a top defense.

The Jets may suck ... but they are the 6th rated defense in the NFL - with little difference from #3 to #6.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defense

IcyPatriot said:

The premise is flawed in many ways ... coaching staffs do not need another team to teach them anything.

We will struggle offensively with any team with a strong D-Line as part of a top defense.

The Jets may suck ... but they are the 6th rated defense in the NFL - with little difference from #3 to #6.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defense

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Total yards is 100% irrelevant. The Jets are 31st at defensive passer rating and 24th according to DVOA, which are far more representative of how well they've played so far.

Not saying there aren't reasons to dismiss the article's notion, but the quality of NY's overall defense isn't one of them.

I haven't read the article, but just wanted to say that Under Armour" had become so ingrained that I looked at the thread title and thought "Oh, a typo."

Oswlek said:

"That's how the Baltimore Ravens were able to end New England's Super Bowl dreams in 2012."

Why do people keep saying this? Baltimore got OK pressure in that game, but nothing more than normal. They took down NE in 2012 because they were able to rough up NE's receivers and force Brady to throw in very tight windows. As I said in another thread, they are also a smart team with instinctive guys who are rarely out of position.

Even then, it took a half dozen really dumb mistakes to not be leading that game at least 20-7 at halftime.

If you want to talk about pressure in 2007 or 2010, be my guest, but I wish people would stop slapping any NE loss into a narrative regardless of how well it actually fits it.

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The reason people do this is due to the fact you have to string isolated non related items for confirmation of theories and beliefs that comically incorrect.

The Patriots lost to the Ravens because our buddy Talib went down and presented the Ravens with a fundamental mismatch (which to their credit) they exploited.

It should also be noted that the 2012 Ravens had outstanding red zone defense and the tragic loss of Gronk found the offense perfectly unable to exploit numerous trips to the red zone.

Prior to this the game was well in hand. Talib doesn't go down....the Patriots win by 10-15 points and hoist a Lombardi.

"Pressure" really didn't have anything to do with 2010. Rexy put together a unique (one time) game plan that the Patriots didn't counter based on failure to run the ball. This strategy had a shelf life of one game because the next week, Pittsburgh ran it down the Jets throat.

An upgrade of running backs since 2010, has relegated the one time doozy to the ash bin of history.

This has Brady being pressured 41%. Bedard says he was pressured 28%.

I will side with Bedard on that one.

But I guess they revealed that when you don't have your RG and LG set and are doing some other things with the OL and your #1 possession WR is out that you can effect an offense.

Yet I see no mention that when it came down to it in the 2nd half the jests couldn't stop them.

Looked like stork and fleming struggled the most

Oswlek said:

"That's how the Baltimore Ravens were able to end New England's Super Bowl dreams in 2012."

Why do people keep saying this? Baltimore got OK pressure in that game, but nothing more than normal. They took down NE in 2012 because they were able to rough up NE's receivers and force Brady to throw in very tight windows. As I said in another thread, they are also a smart team with instinctive guys who are rarely out of position.

Even then, it took a half dozen really dumb mistakes to not be leading that game at least 20-7 at halftime.

If you want to talk about pressure in 2007 or 2010, be my guest, but I wish people would stop slapping any NE loss into a narrative regardless of how well it actually fits it.

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Ya i was at that game in the 200s....what a miserable game...not as bad as the ray rice 80 yard run on first play where they destroyed us..but pretty bad

patsfanincleveland said:

Prior to this the game was well in hand. Talib doesn't go down....the Patriots win by 10-15 points and hoist a Lombardi.

"Pressure" really didn't have anything to do with 2010. Rexy put together a unique (one time) game plan that the Patriots didn't counter based on failure to run the ball. This strategy had a shelf life of one game because the next week, Pittsburgh ran it down the Jets throat.

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I agree that Talib going down was a big factor, but I still think we should point out how many drops and dumb moves the offense made. Even Tom himself really botched the half-ending drive.

Pressure absolutely factored into the Jets win. Connolly being obliterated by Ellis was probably the matchup that had the biggest impact on the game.

Oswlek said:

I agree that Talib going down was a big factor, but I still think we should point out how many drops and dumb moves the offense made. Even Tom himself really botched the half-ending drive.

Pressure absolutely factored into the Jets win. Connolly being obliterated by Ellis was probably the matchup that had the biggest impact on the game.

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Agree on dumb play by the offense.

Pressure was the result in 2010 not the cause. A great game plan that has not been recreated was the cause. Also, having 21 points scored on drives that started in Patriots territory didn't exactly help.

It's actually shocking that the 2008 Miami "Wildcat" game does not get blamed on "pressure"