T.J. Ward

dales804 · Dec 23, 2014

robertweathers said:
I hope TJ Ford is ok.

Wishing pain, injury and paralysis on someone is not right.

He actually retired because of neck injuries, ironically.

RobertWeathers · Dec 23, 2014

dales804 said:
He actually retired because of neck injuries, ironically.

Oops!

That is weird, though.

PatCat · Dec 23, 2014

What goes up always comes down.

NSPF · Dec 23, 2014

woolster22 said:
It's one thing to not necessarily feel sorry for an especially dirty/asshat player. It's another thing entirely to maybe revel a bit, four whatever fleeting moment, when said player goes down.

Looking at the play, it seems his neck was affected. That is something I wish on no athlete, whatever his reputation. Given the walking and cart ride is assume it is nothing debilitating. I hope for his recovery (slowly would be nice). It was a play that could easily have been much (seemingly) worse than it was at first glance.

A serious neck injury would be debilitating, not only for his career, but his personal well being long after. It certainly does not appear to be the case, luckily.

Would any of you like to see a child/sibling/father taken off the field after that replay? It could easily have been much worse.

@NSPF, while I may share the disregard for the player, your "hoped" injury makes far less sense given current knee surgery standards abd recovery times. If you're going to act like a ****, at least do it coherently.

The knee injury comment was because he injured Gronk's knee, ergo him getting a knee injury would be "revenge". It's perfectly coherent. If he injuries a knee, maybe he'll think twice about going after other people's knees.

fnordcircle · Dec 23, 2014

I hope he's paralyzed everywhere but his butthole and then the nurses they hire to take care of him rape him constantly for 5 decades also I hope his family abandons him and that he gets set on fire by homeless people who pee out the flames.

That will show him for making a legal tackle in the NFL.

1960Pats · Dec 23, 2014

Brady6 said:
That's a normal response to a football player you don't know personally being injured. Could you post a few of the posts you have from this incident so we can see them? I know you must have hundreds on a memory stick.

Here's a video. I won't watch it again. It was the dirtiest hit that I've ever seen, and it was during a pre-season game on a ball that had long since gone over Stingley's head.

Ring 6 · Dec 23, 2014

NSPF said:
The knee injury comment was because he injured Gronk's knee, ergo him getting a knee injury would be "revenge". It's perfectly coherent. If he injuries a knee, maybe he'll think twice about going after other people's knees.

So you wish injury on Vince Wilfork, Donta Hightower, Brandon Browner, Chandler Jones, Devin McCourty, Jamie Collins and every other player who has been flagged for an illegal hit, or just Ward who was not flagged for a legal one but just so happened to deliver it to Gronk?

BradyFTW! · Dec 23, 2014

Damn, harsh crowd. I don't like the guy either, but neck injuries are serious business. Seems like a pretty messed up thing to take pleasure in. Although if the Broncos come to Foxboro in a couple weeks, I really wouldn't mind if he didn't play, since he's about 50/50 to try to take Gronk's knees out.

SEA_Pat · Dec 23, 2014

New England Pride said:
I hope he can play. That guy couldn't cover my grandmother.

But can she rush the passer?

New England Pride · Dec 23, 2014

SEA_Pat said:
But can she rush the passer?

You sir just won the internets.

Ring 6 · Dec 23, 2014

1960Pats said:
Here's a video. I won't watch it again. It was the dirtiest hit that I've ever seen, and it was during a pre-season game on a ball that had long since gone over Stingley's head.

The result was horrific, Tatums comments were pathetic, Tatum was no doubt an intimidator and cheap shot artist, but that hit was common in that era. There was absolutely a code in the NFL that you needed to punish a receiver who had the nerve to come over the middle.

1960Pats · Dec 23, 2014

UK_Pat37 said:
When you think about it...it isn't far off of what Browner did against the Chargers. Stingley's head lowered towards the end with his momentum. But hey, it was an opposition player against one of our own...so there has to be uproar about it, right?

Let me see if I can try and explain it to you so you might understand.

Browner hit a defenseless WR going over the middle who was bobbling a ball in an important late season NFL game. Yes, Browner could have gone a fraction lower and made it perfectly legal, but sadly for Brown's broken collarbone, Browner didn't.

Tatum hit a defenseless WR going over the middle who had leaped for a pass that was long gone (in football time) during a pre-season game and intentionally launched his shoulder squarely into the face of Darryl Stingly. Yes, Tatum could have gone lower, but instead he wanted to break Stingley's neck. Which he did. And Darryly spent the remaining few decades of his life paralyzed.

And you say you've seen the video 1000 times? Maybe you need to see it a few more times to see that there's a huge difference between the two plays beside the colors of the uniforms.

This will be the last word that I'l have on this particular topic. It's too painful.

QuantumMechanic · Dec 23, 2014

AndyJohnson said:
So you wish injury on Vince Wilfork, Donta Hightower, Brandon Browner, Chandler Jones, Devin McCourty, Jamie Collins and every other player who has been flagged for an illegal hit, or just Ward who was not flagged for a legal one but just so happened to deliver it to Gronk?

One can make an illegal hit w/o the intent to injure and a legal hit with the intent to injure. Legality is irrelevant to the player's POSness and deservingness of future injury. That NFL rules don't currently prohibit hitting a knee while the foot is planted doesn't make TJ Ward any less of a POS who deserves to get his career ended. He twice went for Gronk's knee with the intent (all but explicitly admitted the second time around) of ruining it.

He's a POS who deserves whatever bad things happen to him on the football field,

Ring 6 · Dec 23, 2014

rlcarr said:
One can make an illegal hit w/o the intent to injure and a legal hit with the intent to injure. Legality is irrelevant to the player's POSness and deservingness of future injury. That NFL rules don't currently prohibit hitting a knee while the foot is planted doesn't make TJ Ward any less of a POS who deserves to get his career ended. He twice went for Gronk's knee with the intent (all but explicitly admitted the second time around) of ruining it.

He's a POS who deserves whatever bad things happen to him on the football field,

I disagree. I think Ward was trying to make a tackle, no more, no less.
Since neither of us know what was in his mind, though, it would be pointless to debate.

1960Pats · Dec 23, 2014

AndyJohnson said:
The result was horrific, Tatums comments were pathetic, Tatum was no doubt an intimidator and cheap shot artist, but that hit was common in that era. There was absolutely a code in the NFL that you needed to punish a receiver who had the nerve to come over the middle.

I wasn't planning on going on with this subject, but out of respect for your opinion I will add this one last comment, then you can have the last word.

Yes, the code was different then. I have vivid memories of fights, clothesline tackles and players like Butkis spinning around during a tackle while another player had the runners legs. It was like Butkis was trying to break the guy by twisting him. But I don't remember that particular play being popular. Yes, Tatum "the assassin" was a head hunter, but even for him that was a pathetic cheap shot that took Stingly's life.

SEA_Pat · Dec 23, 2014

Am I the only one who finds those who believe in karma and wishing ill on other players ironic?

Ring 6 · Dec 23, 2014

1960Pats said:
I wasn't planning on going on with this subject, but out of respect for your opinion I will add this one last comment, then you can have the last word.

Yes, the code was different then. I have vivid memories of fights, clothesline tackles and players like Butkis spinning around during a tackle while another player had the runners legs. It was like Butkis was trying to break the guy by twisting him. But I don't remember that particular play being popular. Yes, Tatum "the assassin" was a head hunter, but even for him that was a pathetic cheap shot that took Stingly's life.

It was very common for DBs especially safeties to try to lay out a WR. And it was unabashedly done as a means to intimidate and make receivers fear coming over the middle.
I think the hit by Tatum on Stingley was one that happened similarly hundreds of times, just not with the same result.
The fact that it was a preseason game may have made it less likely, but that was part of being a safety in that era. The part about hitting him even after the ball was past is something that happened all the time. In those days the mantra was if you can make a hit make it, never pull back.

1960Pats · Dec 23, 2014

AndyJohnson said:
I disagree. I think Ward was trying to make a tackle, no more, no less.
Since neither of us know what was in his mind, though, it would be pointless to debate.

I thought Ward's own words told us that he intended to go after Gronk's knee again. Which he did. He took about a ten yard run and went straight after the right knee. Thank God that Gronk saw it coming just in time to get his leg off the ground, or he might have been gone for another playoff run.

letekro · Dec 23, 2014

I dont believe in karma, but I do believe Ill have another drink.

obgod3 · Dec 23, 2014

I dont like Ward but some want anyone injured either, these guys are all going to be a mess when they are 50 anyway.

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